2012 Nissan GTR
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ring times are meaningless to you and me... they are Nissan's attempt to legitimize a $100k Nissan. mission accomplished. it is not about lap times, it is about being one of the fastest production cars you can own, while still being practical. no other car is as capable and as practical as this car. personal preference be damned... if you enjoy cars, you have to like this car. i don't love it, but i certainly want one.
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Even the CGT has depreciated. Personally I wouldn't consider any modern cars an investment, except for the Ford GT, those have held value for years now and/or increased in some cases.
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Nicely said. Even from the sidelines, that would have been my analysis just on technical detail.
The GT-R is simply amazing. Lighten it up a little and it could be unstoppable.
The showstopper for me?
No convertible
The GT-R is simply amazing. Lighten it up a little and it could be unstoppable.
The showstopper for me?
No convertible
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I understand that some GTR owners will take offense and come back with some nonsense about how the GTR can be made to put out 1400 AWHP and can be modded to do XY and Z, but the GT2 and the 'Vettes are just better drivers cars as they stand; not withstanding the GTR's Nurburgring lap times which are utterly outside the norm and are not reflected on any other track in the World, it's just not a great drivers car.. it's just not; it's fast, but in a very Playstation kind of way.
No doubt jaspergtr will have a fit and challenge me to a Texas Mile race or similar, but the GTR's I run into at the tracks locally like Laguna, Infineon, Thunderhill etc are decidedly spanked by the 'Vettes, GT3's and GT2's as well as the Vipers.. Look at any of the Club racing results and the facts speak for themselves.
By the way, if it consoles you any jaspertgtr, I do think the GTR is a FASTER car than the 996 TT; I don't particularly gel with the TT's with their 4wd and extra weight and the mushy suspension.
Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion and therefore anyone who disagrees with me is wrong, since they cannot know my personal tastes, preferences and likes in a car... Furthermore, I grew up racing shifter Karts and two stroke 500cc Motorcycles back home in Scotland and that MAY have screwed up my perspective on things; even my racing buddies think I have a screw loose and I also ride my 196 RWHP BMW S1000RR to work every day, even in the rain and this further emphasises the fact that I may not be quite right in the head.....
PLUS, I played Rugby at the national level back home on Scotland and may have taken too many knocks to the head, along with drinking WAAAAY too much beer....
I understand that some GTR owners will take offense and come back with some nonsense about how the GTR can be made to put out 1400 AWHP and can be modded to do XY and Z, but the GT2 and the 'Vettes are just better drivers cars as they stand; not withstanding the GTR's Nurburgring lap times which are utterly outside the norm and are not reflected on any other track in the World, it's just not a great drivers car.. it's just not; it's fast, but in a very Playstation kind of way.
No doubt jaspergtr will have a fit and challenge me to a Texas Mile race or similar, but the GTR's I run into at the tracks locally like Laguna, Infineon, Thunderhill etc are decidedly spanked by the 'Vettes, GT3's and GT2's as well as the Vipers.. Look at any of the Club racing results and the facts speak for themselves.
By the way, if it consoles you any jaspertgtr, I do think the GTR is a FASTER car than the 996 TT; I don't particularly gel with the TT's with their 4wd and extra weight and the mushy suspension.
Disclaimer: This is my personal opinion and therefore anyone who disagrees with me is wrong, since they cannot know my personal tastes, preferences and likes in a car... Furthermore, I grew up racing shifter Karts and two stroke 500cc Motorcycles back home in Scotland and that MAY have screwed up my perspective on things; even my racing buddies think I have a screw loose and I also ride my 196 RWHP BMW S1000RR to work every day, even in the rain and this further emphasises the fact that I may not be quite right in the head.....
PLUS, I played Rugby at the national level back home on Scotland and may have taken too many knocks to the head, along with drinking WAAAAY too much beer....Not sure why you'd think I'd have a 'fit' and challenge anybody. I have nothing to prove. Everybody has their opinion, and driving style. The 911's, apparently, didn't suit mine, but oddly enough, the Cayman did. I also prefer the R8's handling to the GT-R. But I miss the acceleration G's both on corner exit, and just driving it around.
It has been said numerous times - at this level, it all comes down to personal preference. Every car offers a unique experience. It just so happens that for my budget of $175k, the GT-R was the car that fit most of my criteria.
And I don't need consolation. It has been proven over and over again, that the GT-R is a faster car. This is not my opinion, but rather substantiated time and time again.
Last edited by jaspergtr; Nov 30, 2011 at 05:17 AM.
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You got some nerve. Is that not what Nissan did with the GT-R. Go figure the Dunlops are standard now and not optional.
Revolutionary.
Everybody isn't looking for all of the nannies in the world to give them car control. I'd rather take my chances in the Vette.
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But when Porsche and Chevy does it - it's GREAT!
The weird thing is, to get the best times in a GT-R, on track, a lot of drivers turn off VDC. Is this suggesting that in order to get great lap times in a ZR-1, we should turn it on?
I'll wait for the condemnation... (I'm prepared to hold my breath for a long time)
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I'm not talking this year or the next. I'm not even talking 5 yrs. re read my post. Most every car ever built will drop in value the 1st few yrs. maybe even the decade? Even the GT you mention dropped in value. But like that car the GT2RS is a limited, very high end, production car from a historic car company. If history holds true this car will be worth 4 or 5 times the window sticker. But just because I believe that doesn't mean I'll ever get to own 1 and find out 1st hand.
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I agree!
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RWD man, if you do that in a GTR then your really an awful driver and should not be on the road.
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Agreed. BUT - why does this not happen to many SL65AMGs, etc... (insert other powerful RWD cars)? Or is it because people with 'Vettes are more likely to showcase their power?
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You proved my point. There was big outcry because the GT-R had Bridgestone RE070's standard, and electronic controls (that could be disabled).
But when Porsche and Chevy does it - it's GREAT!
The weird thing is, to get the best times in a GT-R, on track, a lot of drivers turn off VDC. Is this suggesting that in order to get great lap times in a ZR-1, we should turn it on?
I'll wait for the condemnation... (I'm prepared to hold my breath for a long time)
But when Porsche and Chevy does it - it's GREAT!
The weird thing is, to get the best times in a GT-R, on track, a lot of drivers turn off VDC. Is this suggesting that in order to get great lap times in a ZR-1, we should turn it on?
I'll wait for the condemnation... (I'm prepared to hold my breath for a long time)
Chevy has been long overdue for some good tires and Porsche's R-comps are more gimmick than anything else, they are pretty garbage, and have proven to be pretty slow. At least the early 997 tires.
The drivers may turn VDC off, but they cant turn attesa off. What I'm suggesting is that you can't compare the two because even with all the nannies on in the ZR-1 and off in the GT-R, the ZR-1 will still be harder to drive.
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The outcry was because most people didn't really know how sticky the tires were until long after they had been used to eek out victories in magazine shootouts.
Chevy has been long overdue for some good tires and Porsche's R-comps are more gimmick than anything else, they are pretty garbage, and have proven to be pretty slow. At least the early 997 tires.
The drivers may turn VDC off, but they cant turn attesa off. What I'm suggesting is that you can't compare the two because even with all the nannies on in the ZR-1 and off in the GT-R, the ZR-1 will still be harder to drive.
Chevy has been long overdue for some good tires and Porsche's R-comps are more gimmick than anything else, they are pretty garbage, and have proven to be pretty slow. At least the early 997 tires.
The drivers may turn VDC off, but they cant turn attesa off. What I'm suggesting is that you can't compare the two because even with all the nannies on in the ZR-1 and off in the GT-R, the ZR-1 will still be harder to drive.
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I've hung the a$$ of my E55 out more than I ever did the C6.
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lol! Yeah, but by choice, right?
I mean, you don't lose control while driving straight, do you?
I mean, you don't lose control while driving straight, do you?