same tires, same pro driver, Z06 wins on a track, lap times and if it is a 30 minute race or session not very close at all IMO, I have have never had one stay in front of me on a track and that is in a c5 z06 (not fair because mine is not stock)
Corvette Z06, with Z07 -- 505 HP - 1 minute 34.43 seconds
Nissan GT-R -------------- 530 HP - 1 minute 36.35 seconds
these are times from motor trend at Laguna with Randy Probst driving
its all preference, I don't care much for drag racing more off a track rat.

 

Jaspergtr that's what i was refering to..............i hope i didn't missunderstand it.

 

You know whats funny, I have driven my friends 2012 GTR ON TRACK and I enjoy my Cayman S much more. He was on R888's, my car on NT01. I'm sure I was lapping faster in the GTR, but for some guys, it's not just about putting down the fastest lap times. On the other hand, I have actually put a deposit down on a 13 GTR as a DD, because I think they can be very good DD cars. Just a different perspective... I would go with a used 997.1 Turbo instead, but needing an auto the wife can drive, I prefer the dual clutch over the old Porsche Tiptronic.

 

I don't understand... Please explain the first two words - "same tires".

I don't get your point of bringing up lap times... It has been stated (by people here, and other non-owners) that you don't really drive the GT-R, it drives you. So if you passed a GT-R, it was the computer's fault, and not the driver. Probably a faulty processor. Just suggest the driver take it to the dealer for an upgrade (that's if he didn't start the car with the windows down - because the warranty will be voided).

 

Really, completely untrue. If you discount the Nurburgring times and look at the majority of other racetracks in the World (go to fastestlaps.com) you will find the GTR exactly where you would expect it would be in terms of it's lap times vs it's weight and HP figures.

I'm all for you being a cheerleader for the GTR (even though this IS a Porsche Forum and you should expect some pushback), but I also like FACTS and the FACTS are plain for everyone to see, just do some legwork, research and spend a few days at the racetrack....

Look at Laguna Seca, or Hockenheim, Sachsenring, VIR, Magny-Cours, Jarama, Nurburgring GP circuit, Nordschleife Full (20810 m), Hockenheim, Le Mans Bugatti circuit, or any one of the majority of the recetracks where the GTR is slower than the ZR1, ZO6, GT2RS, GT3 and GT3RS....

By the way, I left out a TON of other tracks where the GTR is slower than the other cars we have mentioned, I just didn't want to have a massive list clogging this post up.... I have a spreadsheet with all the figures from all the racetracks on fastestlaps as well as my own personal experience and times from the California racetracks.

The GTR IS faster than SOME of the cars in question at a couple of tracks, but if you do the math, it's about 80-20 in favor of the other cars.

Sorry that you disagree, but hundreds of professionals that test these cars and have no axe to grind, have different FACTS (not opinions, since they test the cars and have actual lap times to prove it)... I have 17+ years of racing and instructing under my belt and have run against well set up GTR's regularly and NONE of them over the last three years have been anywhere close to being competitive when they are near stock vs ZO6's, ZR1's, GT3's, GT2's and Vipers.

 

I did. And I have.

And I disagree.

 

Everyone cheerleads for what they have and are in love with at the time. But reality and the truth on the boards proves the issues with any car... The GT-R weight has shown itself with overheated transmission issues and other issues repeatedly. Google it and you'll see...

But... There are fixes, just like there are for all the associated warts that we Porsche owners deal with. Reality is that all cars have their strengths and weaknesses. IF you like the car, then fine, enjoy it. Just don't expect everyone else to.

I'm driving a little E36 M3 that's making about 235-245WHP and weighing in around 2850#. I love it. Is it my 996TT?? No. Do I care if others "love it"? Hell no.

I'll have another Porsche. But it will be a dedicated racecar. As for my opinion of the GTR... IT's a technical marvel. It's a heavy pig. It's as ugly as any car I've ever seen. It's my opinion. If it conflicts with yours, so be it.

Mike

 

I said that because on a other wise stock car, tires and driver are the biggest variable, same tire refers to similar compounds, lap times because that what the thread is about, The GT-Rs lap times, that said it is a very cool car I even like the way they look. Once again, motorsports with out any rivalry would be boring right I agree with Mikelly, don't really care what others think about what I drive (obviously having a c5 z06) I would race a short yellow school bus if thats all I had, Hell I raced all this summer in a mustang challenge car, talk about a heavy pig, but had a blast!

 

Allow me to clarify.

You said:So I responded:
Show me those many tracks where the 996TT was faster than a GT-R, and I'll concede the point.

 

Agreed.

Randy tested the Z06 w/Z07 package on PS2's in July (on another track), and they pretty much finished dead even (GT-R by .2 secs, but that's almost nothing). When he retested it with the optional PSC's, this netted a 2sec advantage.

I believe I have the tire compounds right. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.

 

I don't think the Porsche Turbo is the car we should be comparing the GTR to. I don't compare what things cost as much as I do what they are. The GTR is by far the best car Nissan makes, I'd compare it to the best Porsche, Chevy, Ford, or whoever makes.

Completely different story then. Just look at the times at the ring to see for yourself.

It's all good w/ me either way really. I can't drive my car correctly at its limmit and I couldn't any in the thread.

 

I wouldn't pick the GTR to be my track carI would use it to be my highway killer or acceleration toy...nice 60 - 120 times and fun at the drag strip when spare time permits...same kinda thing as a UGR Lambo with the added standing mile quickness fun factor on that...

cars like the GTR excercises in technology and over the top frills...they are not connected driver's cars, they don't inspire or make you feel at one with the road uderneath you...that's ok there is a time and place for both.

Like I said I will most likely own a GTR at some point, but I think I would like to buy one already tested and modded at $0.30 on the dollar for the modding...if I get more lucky then get the UGR lambo and call it a day...another fine novelty car!

 

If the GTR looked like a 350 Z I would buy 2.

 

Or better yet, the 370Z... But I agree...

Mike

 

I have said for years that all the Z06 needed was for GM to give it some tires and whaddya know, GM finally figured it out. Now the Z06 is what it could have have been a long time ago, joining the Viper and GT2's ahead of the GT-R.

When the rest of the supercars catch on to it, the GT-R will get shuffled further and further back. Making it's handling look a lot less physics defying.