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Old May 5, 2012 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Ms4cd
I had both, AWD and RWD (shaft removed) later to install Carbonetics LSD and remove all the front diff components. (60+lbs)

As stated in pervious posts, with addition to front camber, 996 with the proper LSD, alignment and more front camber is a track monster (when driven properly).

I experienced all 3 setups on the track and it's a night and day difference from AWD.

If your plans are not to track, keep the AWD for resale and safety but if you hit the track and know how to drive, there is no substitute when properly RWD converted.
Night and day in terms of what? If it's a night and day difference, I think you may not have had a good setup for your AWD.

The TT does not need a RWD conversion to be a track monster.

Originally Posted by pwdrhound
I've thought about doing the OS Giken but hearing about several of them basically disintegrating in the 996tt has scared me away from it. Keep us posted how yours works out...
I have not heard this before. Have any links? Mine has been going strong for 2 years now without issue, but I would be interested in seeing this news.
 
Old May 6, 2012 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by VAGscum
Did you do the install or did you have a shop do it?
Had a shop do it. I do wrench on my car, turbo/ic swap, oil changes etc but when it comes to trans/drivetrain I have no experience in that dept.
 
Old May 7, 2012 | 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by VAGscum
I have yet to remove my front diff. Just the shafts. What was involved in removing the front diff?
Take the under panels panels off and 4 bolts couldn't be easier, the RWD conversion thread spells it out very well.
 
Old May 7, 2012 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by heavychevy

I have not heard this before. Have any links? Mine has been going strong for 2 years now without issue, but I would be interested in seeing this news.
I personally know of two, KPG & The Slossfather learned the hard way..KABOOM . They don't like to be launched hard, but seem to be fine for the track.
 
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[QUOTE=heavychevy;3536129]Night and day in terms of what? If it's a night and day difference, I think you may not have had a good setup for your AWD.

The TT does not need a RWD conversion to be a track monster.

100% correct, good post.
 
Old May 7, 2012 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by topgun
I personally know of two, KPG & The Slossfather learned the hard way..KABOOM . They don't like to be launched hard, but seem to be fine for the track.
Wow, I had no idea. Glad i don't launch mine.
 
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I have not heard this before. Have any links? Mine has been going strong for 2 years now without issue, but I would be interested in seeing this news.[/QUOTE]

KPV said they had 5 different cars set up with the OS Gikken units and they all blew up. Here is the link:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post3532022
 
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Originally Posted by pwdrhound
KPV said they had 5 different cars set up with the OS Gikken units and they all blew up. Here is the link:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post3532022
Oh ok, that thread. I saw the one on rennlist about the bad batch. Did not know about KPG though, though he did mention they had a bit more power. Sounds like they had more power than the unit was designed to handle, and OSG over promised and under delivered.

Mine has been solid for 2 years. And has saved my behind on more than one occasion. I'm just starting to learn how to use it too.
 
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
I'm just starting to learn how to use it too.
Do tell....
 
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[quote=DERBOOST;3536993]
Originally Posted by heavychevy
Night and day in terms of what? If it's a night and day difference, I think you may not have had a good setup for your AWD.

The TT does not need a RWD conversion to be a track monster.

100% correct, good post.
I am sorry to say but it has always been the case, when comparing properly setup AWD vs RWD 996 turbo. RWD will always be faster, more predictable, nimble and just overall better on the track.

Try it yourself and report back, my experience proves just that.
 
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
Night and day in terms of what? If it's a night and day difference, I think you may not have had a good setup for your AWD.

The TT does not need a RWD conversion to be a track monster.
100% agree with this one....
 
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Originally Posted by pwdrhound
100% agree with this one....
Out of curiosity, did you ever track a properly converted RWD 996 turbo?
 
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Originally Posted by DERBOOST

I am sorry to say but it has always been the case, when comparing properly setup AWD vs RWD 996 turbo. RWD will always be faster, more predictable, nimble and just overall better on the track.

Try it yourself and report back, my experience proves just that.
Your experience? How about some data? Lap times? My experience says otherwise, and so does my data, and my lap times. I am currently tracking a "properly" converted RWD car but only because there is a penalty for AWD. They penalized AWD for a reason and not because its slower.

There is no night and day difference properly tuned. They will be very close with give and takes and better situations for one or the other pending track.

There are some fast drivers here running in AWD, seat of the pants feel isn't enough.
 
Old May 7, 2012 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pwdrhound
Do tell....
Well, considering the purpose of the LSD to begin with, it's only really being used if there is some wheel spin present, otherwise, both wheels are spinning at the same speed pretty much negating the lock up. If you are only driving at the edge of traction, or right below it, your LSD isn't being used effectively. There might be some slight spin that you can't feel, but not enough to engage the LSD locking plates.

Obviously driving sideways through the turns is not beneficial for lap times, so a lot of wheelspin isn't ideal either.

But if you can find that exact place where the LSD kicks in, but you aren't having to save or even correct much, you are using the lsd to the fullest potential (in terms of lap times). This is obviously easier said than done with sticky tires that break away fast, so your setup, anticipation and reaction time are everything. Many drivers over drive the turn and might stay in it, but two spinning rear wheels and fishtailing rear end = power NOT being put down and you reach that point where you have to lift.

But man, let me tell you, once you get it down, your car will rocket through the turns. And you can feel it but it's not entirely evident when watching other than maybe a tiny counter turn on the wheel and the throttle input is still progressive.

The trick is learning the grip of your car, on the particular day, in EVERY turn, while adjusting to the changing grip of your tires. Also you have to have a steady smooth throttle input on corner exit so as not to overpower both rear tires now. It's a fine balancing act but really where LSD's like Guard and OSG have a chance to shine. I have not mastered it yet, but when I do:


Disclaimer: This technique works best for Time Trials/qualifying, not for extended sessions (as tires will wear more quickly). In short terms it's like driving 5-10% past the limit (of grip) on purpose. Do not try this at home.

 
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