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Old May 17, 2012 | 11:37 AM
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Thumbs up Fire proof heat sleeve? A pleasant surprise from BBi Autosport

While getting a new clutch at BBi they had noticed my methanol line was poorly ziptied to the hot water line and slowly sawing a hole through it!

Betim snapped a picture of the potential damage and shot it over to me. I had simply asked to see if there was anywhere to reattach the lines...

The next picture they sent me is why I have stuck with BBi over the years and confirms my belief that they are worlds apart from any other shop i've used. They not only re-routed the lines but added a full length fire proof heat sleeve from the front all the way to the back.

As cliche as it is, you really do get what you pay for.

Thanks for another great job Betim.

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Looks expensive, that fire proof stuff is not cheap. Simple plastic loom would have worked, I hate steel braid and would avoid using it.

Good to see they are looking out for potential issues like that for you, nice service for sure.
 
Old May 17, 2012 | 11:14 PM
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Anyone who does not fire proof non steel or aluminum fuel lines should not work on cars. It was the right thing to do and you do get what you pay for. Good save of a costly repair or worse a fire fueled by meth
 
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Very nice.
 
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Aeroquip lines have a specific protocol on how they are to be installed. Who ever did the original install had no clue.
 

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Originally Posted by Tim941NYC
Anyone who does not fire proof non steel or aluminum fuel lines should not work on cars. It was the right thing to do and you do get what you pay for. Good save of a costly repair or worse a fire fueled by meth
Porsche doesn't...

Time and a place for it, the length of the underside of the car is not one of them. Would consider using it when it travels near the header, turbo or exhaust. Depending on proximity.

Plastic loom is cheap, easy to install and exactly for that purpose.

Still overkill is always better then what would eventally happen.
 
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Porsche doesn't...

Time and a place for it, the length of the underside of the car is not one of them. Would consider using it when it travels near the header, turbo or exhaust. Depending on proximity.

Plastic loom is cheap, easy to install and exactly for that purpose.

Still overkill is always better then what would eventally happen.

What do you mean Porsche doesn't, look at the original posters pictures, you will notice every line under the car is coated with a black insulation.

Plastic loom is cheap that is for sure; it has no place under a car where it will fill up with dirty and road grime. I have seen cases where dirt filled plastic loom has sawed through either wires or hard lines. The most recent being is my own truck. A piece of dirt filled plastic loom rubbed through a brake line, it took 180,000 miles but it did.

The two products you are not that fond of are some of the best things that has happened to the transportation industry.


SSMugen, just make sure Bateim sealed each end of the heat shield, if he did not use the proper end seal you can use some High heat RTV to do that
 

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Originally Posted by Engine Guy
What do you mean Porsche doesn't, look at the original posters pictures, you will notice every line under the car is coated with a black insulation.

Plastic loom is cheap that is for sure; it has no place under a car where it will fill up with dirty and road grime. I have seen cases where dirt filled plastic loom has sawed through either wires or hard lines. The most recent being is my own truck. A piece of dirt filled plastic loom rubbed through a brake line, it took 180,000 miles but it did.

The two products you are not that fond of are some of the best things that has happened to the transportation industry.
From the picture, doesn't it appears that even a fireproof insulator would have been sawed through with the location of the zip tie placed? In the last picture, it appears BBi placed multiple zips through all the turns to keep vibration to a minimum.
 
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Originally Posted by Engine Guy
What do you mean Porsche doesn't, look at the original posters pictures, you will notice every line under the car is coated with a black insulation.

Plastic loom is cheap that is for sure; it has no place under a car where it will fill up with dirty and road grime. I have seen cases where dirt filled plastic loom has sawed through either wires or hard lines. The most recent being is my own truck. A piece of dirt filled plastic loom rubbed through a brake line, it took 180,000 miles but it did.

The two products you are not that fond of are some of the best things that has happened to the transportation industry.


SSMugen, just make sure Bateim sealed each end of the heat shield, if he did not use the proper end seal you can use some High heat RTV to do that
None of the fuel lines on my 996TT are covered in fireproof from the factory, lines under car are protected by the plastic underpaneling, car has ~85k miles and is clean as can be. Not sure where a truck is relevant to the conversation, unless perhaps someone is rally racing their car. The 'insulated' lines you are referring to are the A/C lines...

Conversation here is in regards to braided lines that rub against things they come in contact with, plastic loom is the easiest solution to this issue imo.

Kevlar braided hose is a better overall choice, lighter, easier to work with but more expensive. Would use braided steel line in very few applications personally.
 
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From the picture, doesn't it appears that even a fireproof insulator would have been sawed through with the location of the zip tie placed? In the last picture, it appears BBi placed multiple zips through all the turns to keep vibration to a minimum.

You can never stop something from chaffing all together if two things touch. But the silicone heat shield is very soft. If would have done almost nothing at all. The abount of damage the bare stainless line caused would have taked a decade or more for the heat shield.
 
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None of the fuel lines on my 996TT are covered in fireproof from the factory, lines under car are protected by the plastic underpaneling, car has ~85k miles and is clean as can be. Not sure where a truck is relevant to the conversation, unless perhaps someone is rally racing their car. The 'insulated' lines you are referring to are the A/C lines...

Conversation here is in regards to braided lines that rub against things they come in contact with, plastic loom is the easiest solution to this issue imo.

Kevlar braided hose is a better overall choice, lighter, easier to work with but more expensive. Would use braided steel line in very few applications personally.
Those lines are solid lines not braided.
 
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Those lines are solid lines not braided.


Only braid I'm talking about...
 
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Thing is the braided line under that car should never have been run and fastened like that to begin with. Anyone that knows what they're doing understands that braided line will cut its way through just about anything on a car given enough time and movement. It needs to be isolated from components and securely mounted in proper clamps to avoid this type of damage. The firesleeve, while a decent temp fix, will still wear through in due time.



Glad it was caught and corrected before something bad happened.
 
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