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Originally posted by buddyg
I am all for change if there is change but going from 415 to 480 when the competition is at 500 and above doesn't sound like much change to me!
I am all for change if there is change but going from 415 to 480 when the competition is at 500 and above doesn't sound like much change to me!
... plus we don't know the torque figures which are potentially more important...besides, with an increase in displacement comes an increase in potential.Call me optomistic, but I think the TurboS will be equal to if not better than the new Z06 which is the current benchmark... either way it is only speculation until March.
I agree on the GT2 comment as well... the new GT2 will surely obliterate the new Z06
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Originally posted by dr_sharp
But that's 65 more Porsche hp ... plus we don't know the torque figures which are potentially more important...besides, with an increase in displacement comes an increase in potential.
Call me optomistic, but I think the TurboS will be equal to if not better than the new Z06 which is the current benchmark... either way it is only speculation until March.
But that's 65 more Porsche hp
... plus we don't know the torque figures which are potentially more important...besides, with an increase in displacement comes an increase in potential.Call me optomistic, but I think the TurboS will be equal to if not better than the new Z06 which is the current benchmark... either way it is only speculation until March.
Originally posted by bayareaferrari
Again, my main question was how many 996TT owners were going to jump based on the new 997TT. I am really pointing out the look of the car-It does not look aggressive or different enought..IMO..
I was really hoping for the change from 964 to 993 or 993 to the 996...Larger steps forward in the general look. Porsche performance will not be the main issue..
Again, my main question was how many 996TT owners were going to jump based on the new 997TT. I am really pointing out the look of the car-It does not look aggressive or different enought..IMO..
I was really hoping for the change from 964 to 993 or 993 to the 996...Larger steps forward in the general look. Porsche performance will not be the main issue..
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Originally posted by dr_sharp
The old Turbo had a 3.6L and the new has a 3.8L... unless I'm mistaken.
The old Turbo had a 3.6L and the new has a 3.8L... unless I'm mistaken.
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Originally posted by 6088TTS
no offence but dry sump ya i agree that the C2S don't have that but come on the 3.8 is brand new motor much more technologically advance than your 3.6 which derived from what the 80's??? don't quote me on that cuz i don't really know that much about motors... and mind you that your FI engines are much more likely to blow up under any situation than my NA motor... a NA motor runs much cooler than any FI engine and thus making it much MUCH MUCH more reliable... a NA motor might not have as much of potential as your FI engine but talking about Technology any car guy would agree that a NA motor is much more high tech than a FI engine in compression ratio and timing and what ever else... again don't quote me on those since i'm no mechanic... but do realize what you are saying... we are dealing with Porsche here not some American or Japanese products which is much more likely to "blow up"... i agree that the 3.8 does not have that much potential until you lower the compression and reinforce the bottom end then FIing the **** out of it... in my opinion and my driving tastes (most Carrera, GT3 and CGT drivers will agree with me) i much prefer a NA motor that makes less HP but in a much more smooth and efficent way of delivering that power than a Turbo motor where you have to wait for a couple of thousand RPMs before it does its job... and man there is nothing like Reving high with an NA motor (my RSX revs to 9200RPM without fuel cut) and it is just that much more pleasent than feeling the acceleration GFource for me... too bad the Turbos only know how to go fast in the straights(please not post anymore Ring times or whatever since the Turbo has much more HP than the Carrera) and by the way AWD are for pussies and it handles like ****...
no offence but dry sump ya i agree that the C2S don't have that but come on the 3.8 is brand new motor much more technologically advance than your 3.6 which derived from what the 80's??? don't quote me on that cuz i don't really know that much about motors... and mind you that your FI engines are much more likely to blow up under any situation than my NA motor... a NA motor runs much cooler than any FI engine and thus making it much MUCH MUCH more reliable... a NA motor might not have as much of potential as your FI engine but talking about Technology any car guy would agree that a NA motor is much more high tech than a FI engine in compression ratio and timing and what ever else... again don't quote me on those since i'm no mechanic... but do realize what you are saying... we are dealing with Porsche here not some American or Japanese products which is much more likely to "blow up"... i agree that the 3.8 does not have that much potential until you lower the compression and reinforce the bottom end then FIing the **** out of it... in my opinion and my driving tastes (most Carrera, GT3 and CGT drivers will agree with me) i much prefer a NA motor that makes less HP but in a much more smooth and efficent way of delivering that power than a Turbo motor where you have to wait for a couple of thousand RPMs before it does its job... and man there is nothing like Reving high with an NA motor (my RSX revs to 9200RPM without fuel cut) and it is just that much more pleasent than feeling the acceleration GFource for me... too bad the Turbos only know how to go fast in the straights(please not post anymore Ring times or whatever since the Turbo has much more HP than the Carrera) and by the way AWD are for pussies and it handles like ****...
Originally posted by joetwint
I must be a ***** then!And you are exactly right because you don't know anything about motors.A forced induction engine is much more difficult to make operate correctly and deliver seamless power than a naturally aspirated one because of all the different variables that go along with having a FI motor.Have you ever compared the two engine compartments.What do you think all those extra sensors and little vaccum hoses are for?Give you a hint . Its not for the awd.Also your motor is not new its just a stroked version of the old 3.6(2002) which is a bored and stroked version of the 3.4(1999).The same motor that stains garage floors across the world!!The reason why there probably won' be a change from the 3.6 tt motor in the new 997 is because technologically the 996 tt motor has kept up with the times and was probably ahead of its time when it was introduced.It can safely produce 650-700 hp as is. So next time you take it to the track and its handling so great and your oil pump being starved for oil(along with the rest of your motor) because all the oil is stuck up against the side of your oil pan you can say to yourself atleast i'm not a ***** and driving with awd.
I must be a ***** then!And you are exactly right because you don't know anything about motors.A forced induction engine is much more difficult to make operate correctly and deliver seamless power than a naturally aspirated one because of all the different variables that go along with having a FI motor.Have you ever compared the two engine compartments.What do you think all those extra sensors and little vaccum hoses are for?Give you a hint . Its not for the awd.Also your motor is not new its just a stroked version of the old 3.6(2002) which is a bored and stroked version of the 3.4(1999).The same motor that stains garage floors across the world!!The reason why there probably won' be a change from the 3.6 tt motor in the new 997 is because technologically the 996 tt motor has kept up with the times and was probably ahead of its time when it was introduced.It can safely produce 650-700 hp as is. So next time you take it to the track and its handling so great and your oil pump being starved for oil(along with the rest of your motor) because all the oil is stuck up against the side of your oil pan you can say to yourself atleast i'm not a ***** and driving with awd.
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"So next time you take it to the track and its handling so great and your oil pump being starved for oil(along with the rest of your motor) because all the oil is stuck up against the side of your oil pan you can say to yourself atleast i'm not a ***** and driving with awd."
you might be right about that... and i understand that there is oil leaking problem in the prevouse 3.4 and 3.6 motors but i haven't heard any 3.8s with the problem yet...and with the 3.8L being not dry sump yes it may cause oil starvation during extream Gs... but hey you know what i have that good ol' 4 year warrenty to rely on... and besides i don't really keep my cars that long anyways... and ya with the issue about AWD... it is utilized on the TT because it is for the "civilized people" who might get in trouble with that much HP under the hood... RWD takes much more skill to drive than an AWD... anyone can take a AWD on the track and do amazing times with it but that "anyone" might even not make it home with a RWD car and that explains why some people prefers AWD and some RWD... i have to admit that i had fun with my Subaru WRX back in 2002 when i was still 17 years old... it was amazing how easy it handled on the track until i drove a S2000 and spun out using my driving tactics... RWD cars requires much more attention and there is no comparison between AWD and RWD in driving pleasure... i am really not trying to diss the 996TT in anyway... i am just trying to prove from my driving experience the 997S is superior towards the Turbo thats all... i love the 996TT but sometimes its nice for a change you know... and ya i agree that the 997TT is not a big step forward in design from the 996TT... it is just what the 996 and 996TT supposed to be! bug eyes are what a 911 suppose to be... remember when the 996 and how much i thought the car looked nothing like a 911 but a Boxter... get creative with everything else and leave the 911 alone...
you might be right about that... and i understand that there is oil leaking problem in the prevouse 3.4 and 3.6 motors but i haven't heard any 3.8s with the problem yet...and with the 3.8L being not dry sump yes it may cause oil starvation during extream Gs... but hey you know what i have that good ol' 4 year warrenty to rely on... and besides i don't really keep my cars that long anyways... and ya with the issue about AWD... it is utilized on the TT because it is for the "civilized people" who might get in trouble with that much HP under the hood... RWD takes much more skill to drive than an AWD... anyone can take a AWD on the track and do amazing times with it but that "anyone" might even not make it home with a RWD car and that explains why some people prefers AWD and some RWD... i have to admit that i had fun with my Subaru WRX back in 2002 when i was still 17 years old... it was amazing how easy it handled on the track until i drove a S2000 and spun out using my driving tactics... RWD cars requires much more attention and there is no comparison between AWD and RWD in driving pleasure... i am really not trying to diss the 996TT in anyway... i am just trying to prove from my driving experience the 997S is superior towards the Turbo thats all... i love the 996TT but sometimes its nice for a change you know... and ya i agree that the 997TT is not a big step forward in design from the 996TT... it is just what the 996 and 996TT supposed to be! bug eyes are what a 911 suppose to be... remember when the 996 and how much i thought the car looked nothing like a 911 but a Boxter... get creative with everything else and leave the 911 alone...
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Originally Posted by 6088TTS
"bug eyes are what a 911 suppose to be...
Originally Posted by 6088TTS
"So next time you take it to the track and its handling so great and your oil pump being starved for oil(along with the rest of your motor) because all the oil is stuck up against the side of your oil pan you can say to yourself atleast i'm not a ***** and driving with awd."
you might be right about that... and i understand that there is oil leaking problem in the prevouse 3.4 and 3.6 motors but i haven't heard any 3.8s with the problem yet...and with the 3.8L being not dry sump yes it may cause oil starvation during extream Gs... but hey you know what i have that good ol' 4 year warrenty to rely on... and besides i don't really keep my cars that long anyways... and ya with the issue about AWD... it is utilized on the TT because it is for the "civilized people" who might get in trouble with that much HP under the hood... RWD takes much more skill to drive than an AWD... anyone can take a AWD on the track and do amazing times with it but that "anyone" might even not make it home with a RWD car and that explains why some people prefers AWD and some RWD... i have to admit that i had fun with my Subaru WRX back in 2002 when i was still 17 years old... it was amazing how easy it handled on the track until i drove a S2000 and spun out using my driving tactics... RWD cars requires much more attention and there is no comparison between AWD and RWD in driving pleasure... i am really not trying to diss the 996TT in anyway... i am just trying to prove from my driving experience the 997S is superior towards the Turbo thats all... i love the 996TT but sometimes its nice for a change you know... and ya i agree that the 997TT is not a big step forward in design from the 996TT... it is just what the 996 and 996TT supposed to be! bug eyes are what a 911 suppose to be... remember when the 996 and how much i thought the car looked nothing like a 911 but a Boxter... get creative with everything else and leave the 911 alone...
you might be right about that... and i understand that there is oil leaking problem in the prevouse 3.4 and 3.6 motors but i haven't heard any 3.8s with the problem yet...and with the 3.8L being not dry sump yes it may cause oil starvation during extream Gs... but hey you know what i have that good ol' 4 year warrenty to rely on... and besides i don't really keep my cars that long anyways... and ya with the issue about AWD... it is utilized on the TT because it is for the "civilized people" who might get in trouble with that much HP under the hood... RWD takes much more skill to drive than an AWD... anyone can take a AWD on the track and do amazing times with it but that "anyone" might even not make it home with a RWD car and that explains why some people prefers AWD and some RWD... i have to admit that i had fun with my Subaru WRX back in 2002 when i was still 17 years old... it was amazing how easy it handled on the track until i drove a S2000 and spun out using my driving tactics... RWD cars requires much more attention and there is no comparison between AWD and RWD in driving pleasure... i am really not trying to diss the 996TT in anyway... i am just trying to prove from my driving experience the 997S is superior towards the Turbo thats all... i love the 996TT but sometimes its nice for a change you know... and ya i agree that the 997TT is not a big step forward in design from the 996TT... it is just what the 996 and 996TT supposed to be! bug eyes are what a 911 suppose to be... remember when the 996 and how much i thought the car looked nothing like a 911 but a Boxter... get creative with everything else and leave the 911 alone...
Originally Posted by 6088TTS
"So next time you take it to the track and its handling so great and your oil pump being starved for oil(along with the rest of your motor) because all the oil is stuck up against the side of your oil pan you can say to yourself atleast i'm not a ***** and driving with awd."
you might be right about that... and i understand that there is oil leaking problem in the prevouse 3.4 and 3.6 motors but i haven't heard any 3.8s with the problem yet...and with the 3.8L being not dry sump yes it may cause oil starvation during extream Gs... but hey you know what i have that good ol' 4 year warrenty to rely on... and besides i don't really keep my cars that long anyways... and ya with the issue about AWD... it is utilized on the TT because it is for the "civilized people" who might get in trouble with that much HP under the hood... RWD takes much more skill to drive than an AWD... anyone can take a AWD on the track and do amazing times with it but that "anyone" might even not make it home with a RWD car and that explains why some people prefers AWD and some RWD... i have to admit that i had fun with my Subaru WRX back in 2002 when i was still 17 years old... it was amazing how easy it handled on the track until i drove a S2000 and spun out using my driving tactics... RWD cars requires much more attention and there is no comparison between AWD and RWD in driving pleasure... i am really not trying to diss the 996TT in anyway... i am just trying to prove from my driving experience the 997S is superior towards the Turbo thats all... i love the 996TT but sometimes its nice for a change you know... and ya i agree that the 997TT is not a big step forward in design from the 996TT... it is just what the 996 and 996TT supposed to be! bug eyes are what a 911 suppose to be... remember when the 996 and how much i thought the car looked nothing like a 911 but a Boxter... get creative with everything else and leave the 911 alone...
you might be right about that... and i understand that there is oil leaking problem in the prevouse 3.4 and 3.6 motors but i haven't heard any 3.8s with the problem yet...and with the 3.8L being not dry sump yes it may cause oil starvation during extream Gs... but hey you know what i have that good ol' 4 year warrenty to rely on... and besides i don't really keep my cars that long anyways... and ya with the issue about AWD... it is utilized on the TT because it is for the "civilized people" who might get in trouble with that much HP under the hood... RWD takes much more skill to drive than an AWD... anyone can take a AWD on the track and do amazing times with it but that "anyone" might even not make it home with a RWD car and that explains why some people prefers AWD and some RWD... i have to admit that i had fun with my Subaru WRX back in 2002 when i was still 17 years old... it was amazing how easy it handled on the track until i drove a S2000 and spun out using my driving tactics... RWD cars requires much more attention and there is no comparison between AWD and RWD in driving pleasure... i am really not trying to diss the 996TT in anyway... i am just trying to prove from my driving experience the 997S is superior towards the Turbo thats all... i love the 996TT but sometimes its nice for a change you know... and ya i agree that the 997TT is not a big step forward in design from the 996TT... it is just what the 996 and 996TT supposed to be! bug eyes are what a 911 suppose to be... remember when the 996 and how much i thought the car looked nothing like a 911 but a Boxter... get creative with everything else and leave the 911 alone...
Originally Posted by 6088TTS
"So next time you take it to the track and its handling so great and your oil pump being starved for oil(along with the rest of your motor) because all the oil is stuck up against the side of your oil pan you can say to yourself atleast i'm not a ***** and driving with awd."
you might be right about that... and i understand that there is oil leaking problem in the prevouse 3.4 and 3.6 motors but i haven't heard any 3.8s with the problem yet...and with the 3.8L being not dry sump yes it may cause oil starvation during extream Gs... but hey you know what i have that good ol' 4 year warrenty to rely on... and besides i don't really keep my cars that long anyways... and ya with the issue about AWD... it is utilized on the TT because it is for the "civilized people" who might get in trouble with that much HP under the hood... RWD takes much more skill to drive than an AWD... anyone can take a AWD on the track and do amazing times with it but that "anyone" might even not make it home with a RWD car and that explains why some people prefers AWD and some RWD... i have to admit that i had fun with my Subaru WRX back in 2002 when i was still 17 years old... it was amazing how easy it handled on the track until i drove a S2000 and spun out using my driving tactics... RWD cars requires much more attention and there is no comparison between AWD and RWD in driving pleasure... i am really not trying to diss the 996TT in anyway... i am just trying to prove from my driving experience the 997S is superior towards the Turbo thats all... i love the 996TT but sometimes its nice for a change you know... and ya i agree that the 997TT is not a big step forward in design from the 996TT... it is just what the 996 and 996TT supposed to be! bug eyes are what a 911 suppose to be... remember when the 996 and how much i thought the car looked nothing like a 911 but a Boxter... get creative with everything else and leave the 911 alone...
you might be right about that... and i understand that there is oil leaking problem in the prevouse 3.4 and 3.6 motors but i haven't heard any 3.8s with the problem yet...and with the 3.8L being not dry sump yes it may cause oil starvation during extream Gs... but hey you know what i have that good ol' 4 year warrenty to rely on... and besides i don't really keep my cars that long anyways... and ya with the issue about AWD... it is utilized on the TT because it is for the "civilized people" who might get in trouble with that much HP under the hood... RWD takes much more skill to drive than an AWD... anyone can take a AWD on the track and do amazing times with it but that "anyone" might even not make it home with a RWD car and that explains why some people prefers AWD and some RWD... i have to admit that i had fun with my Subaru WRX back in 2002 when i was still 17 years old... it was amazing how easy it handled on the track until i drove a S2000 and spun out using my driving tactics... RWD cars requires much more attention and there is no comparison between AWD and RWD in driving pleasure... i am really not trying to diss the 996TT in anyway... i am just trying to prove from my driving experience the 997S is superior towards the Turbo thats all... i love the 996TT but sometimes its nice for a change you know... and ya i agree that the 997TT is not a big step forward in design from the 996TT... it is just what the 996 and 996TT supposed to be! bug eyes are what a 911 suppose to be... remember when the 996 and how much i thought the car looked nothing like a 911 but a Boxter... get creative with everything else and leave the 911 alone...
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have heard the vetts may have a higher redline bbbut they are loseing motors at those revs..........the big guys are changeing cams and pistons for better performance at lower rpms...my p car got to 600 hp without any internal stuff ..........and all is bullet proffffffffff i hope
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