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Just curious is anyone knows what the standard per hour labor rate is at a Porsche dealership and typically what they bill for to replace a clutch. I’m not going to hassle the dealership right now I’m not looking to do it yet but just curious. I have some other work being done by a performance shop and had them quote me for a clutch too. I was shocked to say the least lol
been a few years since i was stuck roadside and had no choice but to go the the LA based and closest dealership to r&r fuel pump and i remember rates being 200$ per hr plus. Pcar dealership is going to bill at least 8 hours labor ( possibly 10? ) for a clutch plus they'll "markup" on parts. i don't even know what "book time" for a clutch r&r is, but it's eight to ten hours "book" is my guess. so rates - indy's are roughly half what dealers charge depending upon "geography". my current indy here in the sticks, in a relatively new area for me is $95 per hour and "fair". i'm known by now as an "informed" customer since most everything i've done so far has been done by me before with a pcar wrenching pal. read "cheap".
but here i've recently replaced 2 radiators ( 2.5/3 hr's. ) last week clutch master was leaking so did that ( 2 hrs ). next week it's gear and diff oil change ( 1 to 1.5 hrs tops) i know how long it takes to do stuff. so that helps. i would hate to have a porsche stealership r&r a clutch = ouch.
Alright ready for this quote ….. $150 an hour …. 25 hours…..$3,750 in just labor. My initial guess was they would quote 10-12 hours. $1500 - $1700 but 25 hours just seems crazy. I’m going to call the dealership and see what they would charge which who knows that may be what Porsche says it takes is 25 hours. So over $6,000 with the clutch. That’s nuts
thats outrageous usurious and beyond nuts. it takes 4 hours x 2 to drop the trans and reinstall. add 2 more to be generous for fiddling with the clutch fork and a paid lunch. that's how i arrived at 10 hours max. my pal and i did mine on a rented lift and it took all day but it wasn't dark when i drove away with a new clutch. so i know for a fact how long it "should" take.
call a dealership and ask the service advisor what the "book time" for a clutch r&r is. they should share that info - and ditch that indy if you can. theyre crooks.
Yeah I mean it seemed insanely high. I don’t mind paying for work but that just seemed nuts. So based on that one guy working on it 8 hours a day it would take you 3 days….. come on.
No need to call them crooks when you're going off of your speculated time. It's correct based on book labor time, which is how 99% of all shops operate.
No need to call them crooks when you're going off of your speculated time. It's correct based on book labor time, which is how 99% of all shops operate.
well that’s what I was trying to find out what the book time was. Seems like a lot of people say 10-12 these seems like double what a lot of people are quoted.
No need to call them crooks when you're going off of your speculated time. It's correct based on book labor time, which is how 99% of all shops operate.
that is preposterous since we did mine in 8/9 hours so i'm not sure what your reference to "speculated time" addresses. "experiential data" and "speculation" are two very different things. - so if you post that porsche suggests that it requires 25 hours to replace a clutch? this proves to me once again only that "book time" is also bullsh*t.
well that’s what I was trying to find out what the book time was. Seems like a lot of people say 10-12 these seems like double what a lot of people are quoted.
"10 to 12" hours would seem reasonably "fair". 25 hours to replace a clutch - borders on the ridiculous.
"10 to 12" hours would seem reasonably "fair". 25 hours to replace a clutch - borders on the ridiculous.
He’s doing my turbo swap, Intercoolers, injectors, fuel pump and fabricating me a couple of intakes his prices weren’t bad on the other stuff a little higher than I would like but I can deal with it. I get people need to make money and he works on exotics and does tons of high end work so I’m willing to pay for quality but I think I’ll go elsewhere for the clutch.
in keeping with the timely pertinence of the thread and clutch replacements...
i just replaced my master cylinder for a minor leak in the line. after repair the clutch began acting up with hard pedal but also uneven engagement point(s).
while the accumulator is often the first part to suspect, the action of the pedal along with the uneven and now very high pedal engagement led me to suspect something internal was amiss. so, back to shop to re-bleed to ensure it was not as simple as air in the system. it isn't. then on my 40 plus highway mile drive home i had the opportunity to pass a number of vehicles and ended up accelerating in 5th and even 6th gears.
this then resulted in momentary minor slippage. something which has never occurred in my 11 years of ownership of this, my 2nd 996tt.
so i then began to suspect the pressure plate and/or clutch release bearing failing as i personally along with my tech pal replaced the clutch roughly 40k miles ago. so i did not suspect plate/disc wear per se but it's one or more connected parts worn, for sure. curiously this now shows up after a year of very hard frequent highway pulls often at trip digits speeds in remotely rural highway areas. whereas the last 10 years had all been steep canyon carving in the santa monica mountains - mulholland highway areas and the like. so, mostly lived in 2nd and 3rd. nowhere to drive "fast" in la county, so canyons up and down in spirited fashion, it was.
so it's not surprising now that the clutch life with the change in drive conditions has resulted in early if not premature clutch component wear. which brings me to my point.
in order to properly diagnose what part(s) might be failing, it is necessary obviously to open it up to inspect. i immediately upon returning home after the unsuccessful "re-bleed" called back my "new" indie tech ( whom i now consider a personal friend ) and explained the situation. he concured with my snap assessment and agreed that we have to open it up, and go from there.
we discussed "book time" and what time it really takes to complete a full clutch r&r. he agreed that like i once did, the job could be done if non stop in a days work and i agreed that "shops" have overhead and expenses that need to be covered, but also we laughed at the notion that porsche's "book time is "25"?!? hours.
he will charge me 10 hours labor at $95.00 per hour. I will have a new clutch ( i always buy all my own parts as some are "upgrades" over "oem" - and some are ) or whatever is needed. he will have 10 hours labor ( immenently fair ) costs borne by me - and also has a steak and a couple beers in his future as thanks from me once the work is done ( 3 days in the shop as he's the owner and continually distracted by his dual duties ).
for being HONEST.
the object lesson i am trying to impart from this now fresh "price check" is simply that even if it's a "new to you" mechanic. if they are FAIR. 10 ( MAYBE 15 hrs TOPS ) is fair, to r&r a clutch. 20 to 25 hours labor is akin to a proctological crime.
pay what you must, just don't be "fooled".
Last edited by '02996ttx50; 12-04-2021 at 09:17 AM.
Skip the dealership and find a good independent repair shop. You should realize substantial cost savings.
Agree, but may be easier said than done these days. ;-) If you think you may need service soon start your search now. My recent hunt for a good indy currently stands at: 3 x "not accepting new customers" and two others whose "test quotes" were absurdly high (7k clutch etc.). Pushing on.
11-22-2021, 04:56 PM
