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Old Apr 3, 2006 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by JETJOX
Sharky,

What was your et and speed in the 1/8?

Joe
Jetjox, ask anyone that was there but the right line counter was not working and nobody got their 1/8th mile speed. However right at the 1/8th when the tranny went out and the car stopped speeding up and just bouncing off of the rev limiter it was doing at least 115mph.. if not more. I don't have proof but it ran 11.01 @ 114-115 on the timeslip.
 
Old Apr 3, 2006 | 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Todd @ EVO

THANK YOU JOE!!!! Finally, a GT700 at a track that is "kind" - 10.88 AWD, Pump gas, 19" wheels. It will MUCH faster than that if it were set up as a 1/4 mi car with 2WD, drag radials, race gas, etc.

This should bring some clarity to the big debate as to why the GT700 cannot run 10's. For those that have not run 1/4 mile passes in AZ or LV, it is not the ideal place for fast times. If you run fast any other place in the country, you will be disappointed if you try to break any records here. Most all of the 1/4 mile records are set at the known fastest tracks in the country: NJ, FL and TX.

I am glad you got it done Joe. Let me know when you want to get into the 9's.
Why does everyone have to gnats-*** everyone else's runs? Why can't we just say "congrats" when someone runs a great time and leave it at that?

If you really want to dig into the details...I ran 3 runs...two 10.6's and one 10.8. I was only running 1.3 bar on all of them. Had I bumped it up to 1.4 like I did on the dyno...you probably would have seen a low 10 at 139 or so.

I also had a slow 60' time of 1.80 compared to Joe's 1.69. That's another 2/10's I lost right there.

As far as a "kind" track...I've run multiple cars over the years at Richmond, VMP, MIR, Atco, Kinston and Englishtown...and MIR has been the slowest track for me to date. I only ran there that day because some guys had it reserved for a track rental.

Not to mention the fact that Joe was also running 18's and drag radials in his run....but I could care less either way. It's a great run and I'm not going to pick-it apart.

Way too much insecurity and dick-size comparisons on this forum a lot of the time. Heck...I congratulated Renntech on every fast run he's made. But did he comment on my 10 second run? LOL...nope. Maybe half of you EVO guys did at best.

Some people here seem like they have a lot more to prove than others...that's for damn sure.
 

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Old Apr 3, 2006 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Why does everyone have to gnats-*** everyone else's runs? Why can't we just say "congrats" when someone runs a great time and leave it at that?

If you really want to dig into the details...I ran 3 runs...two 10.6's and one 10.8. Not to mention I was only running 1.3 bar on all of them. Had I bumped it up to 1.4 like I did on the dyno...you probably would have seen a low 10 at 139 or so. But does it matter? Not really.

Not to mention the fact that Joe was also running drag radials in his run....but I could care less either way. It's a great run and I'm not going to pick-it apart.

Way too much insecurity and dick-size comparisons on this forum a lot of the time. Heck...I congratulated Renntech on every fast run he's made. But did he comment on my 10 second run? LOL...nope.

Some people here come across like they have a lot more to prove than others...that's for damn sure.
Well said man. It's not about ***** size anyways. Anyone will tell you it's girth that matters. But seriously this time last year nobody in a 6speed had run 10s. I'm really glad to see that's changed and there are a hadnful now. I bet by the end of the year it'll be common-place
 
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Why does everyone have to gnats-*** everyone else's runs? Why can't we just say "congrats" when someone runs a great time and leave it at that?
Scott, while I agree with you...if you post it they will come and disect it..If you don't want that attention don't post it. We all know your car is kick *ss!!!
 
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Why does everyone have to gnats-*** everyone else's runs? Why can't we just say "congrats" when someone runs a great time and leave it at that?

If you really want to dig into the details...I ran 3 runs...two 10.6's and one 10.8. Not to mention I was only running 1.3 bar on all of them. Had I bumped it up to 1.4 like I did on the dyno...you probably would have seen a low 10 at 139 or so. But does it matter? Not really.

Way too much insecurity and dick-size comparisons on this forum a lot of the time. Heck...I congratulated Renntech on every fast run he's made. But did he comment on my 10 second run? LOL...nope.

Some people here come across like they have more to prove than others...that's for damn sure.
Divexxtreme,great run by the way.Were you crossing the traps at the limiter?What rpm did you leave at?Were you on race gas if so why with only 1.3 bar?Did you ever weigh your car?I'm just wondering because I'm baffled by the gearing.To me it seems my car won't trap more than 134 because of the gearing.I either need more rpm or alot more power enough to shift 5th.Thanks
 
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Why does everyone have to gnats-*** everyone else's runs? Why can't we just say "congrats" when someone runs a great time and leave it at that?
Amen brutha! We Porsche owners are fortunate to have a few different choices in terms of high quality tuners that produce very fast cars. Rather than bickering about which HP measurement is better than the other, or dissecting which 1/4 pass is superior, we should instead be congratulating the owners of these fine automobiles and the outstanding tuners that invested countless hours of R&D to create them!!! When Scott ran his 10.6, I congratulating him and Protomotive on their accomplishment. Now that Joe has run a 10.8, we should congratulate him and EVOMS on their accomplishment. Separately and individually, these are both impressive achievements.

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Originally Posted by joetwint
Divexxtreme,great run by the way.Were you crossing the traps at the limiter?What rpm did you leave at?Were you on race gas if so why with only 1.3 bar?Did you ever weigh your car?I'm just wondering because I'm baffled by the gearing.To me it seems my car won't trap more than 134 because of the gearing.I either need more rpm or alot more power enough to shift 5th.Thanks
Joe...My rev-limiter is raised, so I *can* cross the traps in 4th. The first two runs I brought it to redline in each gear. I ran a 10.6 and 10.8 that way.

BUT...on my other 10.6 run, the third run...I shifted at only 6k rpm in each gear...and went through the traps in 5th..and still trapped 135. So it seems with my car, I really get no benefit by shifting at redline. Quick shifting at 6k drops me right into the TQ peak, so it makes up for the lack of revs.

I stayed at 1.3 bar because I had mix of 103 and 93 in the tank that day since I drove my car 200 miles to the track. I don't want to run 1.4 bar on anything less than 103 (just to be safe). So I was making about 565 rwhp at 1.3 bar.

My car weighs 3,330 with a full tank of gas.
 

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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
.I shifted at only 6k rpm in each gear...and went through the traps in 5th..and still trapped 135. So it seems with my car, I really get no benefit by shifting at redline. Quick shifting at 6k drops me right into the TQ peak, so it makes up for the lack of revs..
I do the same....
 
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I think it's a very worthy run and congrads are due to all that have accomplished this feat. I only ask about the 1/8 mile time and speed because that has the greatest effect of the whole run. Depending on the car, turbo's usually pickup between 28 and 33mph in the back half. When I do testing in the 965 turbo, I will make some half track passes first. This is due to two reasons. First, you put less overall wear and tear on the motor. Secondly, not to get kicked off the track for not having the proper safty equiptment (cage). Once you look at you 1/8 mile time you will know within a few thousands of a second what your 1/4 mile will be. Also if you know your car well, you'll know your speed as well. I like to test 1/8 passes first to see how hard the track is hooking. Then I'll run it hard out the back door. If you have a tip tranny, it should be deadly consistant. Good job to all.

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Originally Posted by sharkster
Anyways, if you make your 933TT a "Sportmatic" I'll show you how to do 10s.
Sharky I just got myself a "special" Sportmatic 6 speed gearbox It is being installed. Your quartermile times are amazing, no doubt about it, so is everyone who runs in the 10s and low 11s. My 13s run was without boost as my wastegate/EBC hoses came off.
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I had no idea that Todd was actually a real road race instructor! Just found that out this weekend so he's more in your camp Jean than the drag racing
Yes I read that, I like both in fact, I just think track racing is a bit more fun.
Originally Posted by joetwint
Correction stock 18's and drag radails. car weighed 3420 without me.1.69 60 ft 4000rpm launch Car hits rev limiter at around 6900 as far as i can tell.Runs out of motor about 50 ft before traps not crossing under power..
I was confused after Todd's post saying you were running 19s, this is more logical. Joe you should have hit your trap speed even with a 6900rev limiter and 295s. I would raise the limiter just a tad, or put 315s there. You seem like you had really low tire pressures (15 psi? )which made you have to change to 5th.
You guys are more experienced but I would guess that stretching the RPMs in the last few feet to avoid changing before the finish line would certainly give you better times. During gear changes I agree that a lower RPM change is better. I see all this on my AX22.
 
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Originally Posted by joetwint
Around here Englishtown is considered a slow track
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I don't think so! Try racing at WSID then .. density altitude 1,800' on most winter days .. 4,000' in summer.
 
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Congrats on a great 10 second run!!
This is where all GT700's should be.

Enjoy being the first, that had to be fun!

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Originally Posted by JETJOX
I think it's a very worthy run and congrads are due to all that have accomplished this feat. I only ask about the 1/8 mile time and speed because that has the greatest effect of the whole run. Depending on the car, turbo's usually pickup between 28 and 33mph in the back half. When I do testing in the 965 turbo, I will make some half track passes first. This is due to two reasons. First, you put less overall wear and tear on the motor. Secondly, not to get kicked off the track for not having the proper safty equiptment (cage). Once you look at you 1/8 mile time you will know within a few thousands of a second what your 1/4 mile will be. Also if you know your car well, you'll know your speed as well. I like to test 1/8 passes first to see how hard the track is hooking. Then I'll run it hard out the back door. If you have a tip tranny, it should be deadly consistant. Good job to all.

Joe
Yes, I agree... I do taht as well...
nice write up Joe.
 
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Originally Posted by Jean
Sharky I just got myself a "special" Sportmatic 6 speed gearbox It is being installed. Your quartermile times are amazing, no doubt about it, so is everyone who runs in the 10s and low 11s. My 13s run was without boost as my wastegate/EBC hoses came off.
Yes I read that, I like both in fact, I just think track racing is a bit more fun.

I was confused after Todd's post saying you were running 19s, this is more logical. Joe you should have hit your trap speed even with a 6900rev limiter and 295s. I would raise the limiter just a tad, or put 315s there. You seem like you had really low tire pressures (15 psi? )which made you have to change to 5th.
You guys are more experienced but I would guess that stretching the RPMs in the last few feet to avoid changing before the finish line would certainly give you better times. During gear changes I agree that a lower RPM change is better. I see all this on my AX22.
Yeah in my script it says 19's on but i installed drag radials on my stock rims and kept the awd.I put 315's on the rear and kept the awd connected.i don' t wanted to run the car as i would on the street.tire pressure was at 32psi and only a dry launch to clean them off.Was planning on changing my approach if I got another run,and try shifting to 5th.just falls on its face right before traps.
 


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