And you did it again

I do not say that US cars are slower, i say that the cars produce the same Hp just that the messureing are diffrent...

 

Believe me, Tyson; I am NOT saying the RUF isn't the ultimate kit. I think it is. It's very expensive, but the warranty you get and build qualilty is probably unmatched by any other tuner in the world. I'm talking about the claim that all Euro tuned cars are making more power than all US tuned cars. It's BS, plain and simple.

Take the RT-12. It's claimed to be making 650 HP. But since the argument is that RUF is under-rated...let's say it's making an actual 700 HP. It was RWD and it ran 11.0 @ 133.9. Why is not trapping as high as my claimed 700 HP car? Which hit 10.6 @ 135.4, 10.6 @ 135.5, and 10.8 @ 136 in the 3 runs I completed at the track? My car only dynoed 570 and 600 rwhp...so its right at 700 crank HP.

The RUF is trapping right where it should be for a RWD, 650 HP car. I personally don't think it's making 700 HP.

As a matter of fact, there is a EVO GT700 GT2, EVOMS GT700 TT, and a Imagine Auto 700HP GT2 that *all* trapped higher than the RUF? How does this show the US cars being over-rated at all?

 

As much as I like Todd Knighton's work... you would get your *** handed to you by the Jurgen Alzen 996TT done by RS Tuning. That is a real 700hp... Hey, you did say ANY!!!

Not only would you lose a drag race, it would lap you around almost any race track.

You also forget that Todd K. uses an engine dyno... so his numbers are far more accurate than his "competitors" in the States. He is the one exception to the US tuner BS.

By the way, if YOU drove the RT12, I bet you would get 10 second timeslips. It's hard to say without having the same driver under the same conditions. I also bet the Ruf car would start to pull on a GT700 car above 125mph all the way to 210mph+ That's just the way those cars are...

For the race track, the Ruf powerband is much more usable and smoother than most US packages.

Look a the CTR Yellowbird... even though it's quarter mile is not that impressive, I bet it'll get to over 200mph faster than even your car! Well, it would be pretty close.

 

I'v already showed examples of RUF cars that are not making any more power than they claim. The RUF 590 trapping 126 (where it should), and the RWD RUF RT-12 trapping 133.9 (where it should).

 

That doesn't make sense to me. A stock GT2 traps about 120 with only 456hp... so 134hp only increases your trap by 6mph... seems low.

 

My car isn’t set up for a race track, so I have no doubt I would lose around one to a car that is. But in a straight-line, I’d gladly except that challenge. And if he weighs the same as me and still beats me…then his car isn’t making a true ‘700' HP. It’s making more.

Well...again, the trap speeds are all very close. So I would say that the numbers most people are claiming are mostly accurate.

I don't agree...and I'll unfortunately never have the chance to find out. But I would LOVE to race and/or especially DRIVE a RT-12 or Yellowbird if given the chance.

 

It seems low to me too. Which is exactly my point.

Looking at a stock GT2 to GT700 GT2, it's a 244 HP increase...and I've read about GT2's hitting 122 stock. 244 HP for a 12 mph increase is about right.

 

And where have i said that the US cars are underpowerd, i think you are missing my point, and i do not know how to explain what i mean..

 

No worries. I think all the points that needed to be made already have been.

 

Have you ever driven a GT700? If you had, I think that you would realize that the powerband is EXTREMELY usable, due to the quick spooling turbos and mind numbing acceleration. On a power usabilty scale of 1 to 10, with the N/A CGT being a 1, the GT700 is a 2.5. Ask GRussell to drive his after he gets his kit done, I bet you'll change your mind

 

Dude, how fast is that thing?

 

From what I was told, RS tuning tunes each car individually.. they put it thru many dyno hours b4 its taken by the customer. Its probably tuned specific... unlike the US counterparts that make a tuning package via a third party tuner... So I would expect the custom tuned cars like the ones by RS tuning and or RUF.. as well as Scotts to be faster.... and from the look of time slips Scott is faster at the track then any US tuner (on a stock motor). Why, because it was built and tuned from ground up. Now, Im not taking anything away form other tuners.. its just thats the way they choose to tune and offer such product. What is unique is that scotts car dynod at least 40rwhp and 40rwTQ LESS then any other "stock motor" tuning package offered by other( US) tuners and he still trapped 135 mph- just like they did... but they had considerably more Dyno power. My point is that dyno figures tell a story but not the whole story... Like Scott said, trap speeds are a great way of proving HP...
Im only using a comparison between Scotts car and other tuners to prove a point and not to instigate a war between Tuner packages...
Markski

 

I'm declaring war!!!









j/k

Remember that atmospheric conditions can account for as much as 3-5mph in trapspeed for cars of equal power. Not to take anything away from Scott's machine, which is the stock motor drag race champ, but the conditions at the tracks the he runs at are more favorable than the conditions here in AZ

I would love to have all the 996 guys meet up at the same track, same time and run together. That would really be the only true way to measure power on an equal playing field (hmmm...thinking about planning a 6speed drag day somewhere this fall)

 

Somewhere other than Firebird....

 

I Know JOE... u guys are running in crazy HEAT... either way I think there is a benefit to having a custom tuned car...I do not know what temps Scott ran in... but I tend to believe it was cooler... its hard to really make accurate comparisons... too many variables... I guess when it cools down for u guys then maybe we can get some real numbers.... we here in Chicago get into the 90s... but we have lots of humidity due to the lake...
markski

PS. I think a drag shootout would be cool... but only customer cars... custom and or other built.. but leave the tuner cars on the lift. I dont think its fair for any one of us to run against a tuner car that sets up/tunes a car for a specific event... we as customers do not have that ability.
unless its a tuner event then thats a totally different game.