Originally Posted by MARKSKI

Sonny, look up the 2004 european car mag. april edition... the P car shoot out.... his car won the shootout. it ran 10.74 over two years ago on stock motor.... second closest was 11.1 seconds I believe.
Its basically the same set up as Scotts(divirexxtreme) except that one at the shoot out had a k24/gt30r hybrid... This is from the horses mouth...( todd Knighton). here is a quote from the article about hamman7s car:
"Protomotive's hybrid-turbo monster had area under the curve 15% greater than the highest peak-horsepower car, the Evolution Motorsports Stage 4, and 11% greater than the nearest competitor, By Design. Of 25 points available on the dyno, the 551-hp Protomotive car collected 24.107. Second place went to the 564-hp Evo Stage 4 car, with 20.053 points."
and the drag strip quote: "The first car was Protomotive's entry, which had the power to crush the other kids. It ran a 10.74-sec. pass with 131.74-mph speed, showing itself to be in a completely different class than the rest of the field. Todd Knighton, the car's builder, received congratulatory E-mail from as far away as Saudi Arabia the next morning."
here is the link: http://www.europeancarweb.com/featur...he_comparison/

That was then... many things have changed... for both evoms and protomotive....
I agree with Hamann7 100%.. til evoms has an in house full tuning capabilities(tuning engineer) they will lag in certain aspects of this business... That's where, I believe Todd knighton shines...
Nothing to take away from evoms.. they have made huge strides in the last 2 years... they just have a different philosophy and or approach... and that doesn't mean it's bad.

Originally Posted by Acropora

What confuses me is the article says it had a "T3/T4 turbo upgrade, 1 5/8-in. headers, custom exhaust with Toyota Atlantic titanium silencers, custom intake with filters above intercoolers, custom intercoolers, Tial 40mm wastegates with 1.2-bar springs"

Doesn't really matter though, my car is still going down to Arkansas for final ECU tweaking.

Originally Posted by Divexxtreme

What's 'factual' is that it seems the European tuner cars do not accelerate any faster than their US counterparts with the same claimed HP figures, with any consistancy. Forget the dyno #'s...they really mean nothing. Look the Trap Speeds...which is a much more accurate indicator of how much power a car is actually making.

The majority of Euro cars are right where they should be for their claimed HP. Just like the majority of US cars are. This whole "all Euro cars make more power than US cars" stuff just isn't true. Some do, and some don't. Just like some US cars make more power than some Euro cars.

Example? My lowly Stage 2 (before current mods) with a claimed HP figure of only 510 at the flywheel ran a 11.65 @ 126 in the 1/4 mile. Compare that to the so-called 'under-rated' RUF 590 (which people claim makes closer to 640 HP)...which ran a barely quicker 11.5 @ 126.5.

Originally Posted by Hamann7

As much as I like Todd Knighton's work... you would get your *** handed to you by the Jurgen Alzen 996TT done by RS Tuning. That is a real 700hp... Hey, you did say ANY!!!

Not only would you lose a drag race, it would lap you around almost any race track.

You also forget that Todd K. uses an engine dyno... so his numbers are far more accurate than his "competitors" in the States. He is the one exception to the US tuner BS.

By the way, if YOU drove the RT12, I bet you would get 10 second timeslips. It's hard to say without having the same driver under the same conditions. I also bet the Ruf car would start to pull on a GT700 car above 125mph all the way to 210mph+ That's just the way those cars are...

For the race track, the Ruf powerband is much more usable and smoother than most US packages.

Look a the CTR Yellowbird... even though it's quarter mile is not that impressive, I bet it'll get to over 200mph faster than even your car! Well, it would be pretty close.

Originally Posted by ari

To be fair isn't protomotive's car more similar to a GT700 in power and price than a stage 4?
The stage 4 is designed to be a stock upgrade while the protomotive/GTxxx cars are more engineered and custom tuned (with the acompanying price tag).
IMO more power is fantastic, but at $30,000+ for some of these kits... to each their own.

Originally Posted by MARKSKI

Yes and no... in power yes in price no... the gt700 with the ICs and TB is about $33K b4 labor of ??? $5K... protomotive car has the custom ICs and the 76 mm TB included in his price... and its definately less then $30K installed and tuned specific to the car.
as far as the the stage 4... if uy look at page 40 of the MAG u wil notice that it also gave hybrid kkk/ evoms/ garret turbos... probably gt28s or 30rs... it also had the 1.2 bars springs , custom headers... etc...
Protomotive software came in 1st and 3rd... GIAC came in 2nd, 5th, 6th, and 8th.
Protomotive car won the shoot out because it beat everyone on the dyno and at the strip.
Im not picking on evoms at all... Im stating the facts... Scotts( protomotive set up) car is still the fastest 6speed.com car thats a TT that is on a stock motor.
I dont want to get into the altitude issue but on that day in the HEAT the proto car won. you have to remember that this was well over 2 years ago... where are the now( protomotive and evoms). Im sure they both made huge leaps in tuning.

Originally Posted by RennTechV12

Let's not talk about running in the heat