996 Turbo / GT2 Turbo discussion on previous model 2000-2005 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo and 911 GT2.
View Poll Results: Which Suspension Setup?
TechArt Vario
3.23%
KW V3
16.13%
JIC Cross
38.71%
PSS9
9.68%
X73
16.13%
Other
16.13%
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Old Dec 8, 2006 | 10:41 AM
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Okay, It appears I left some good choices out. Here is an updated poll.

PSS9, KW Variant, JIC Cross, X73, TechArt Vario

with H&R front and rear sway bars OR rear GT3 or GT2 sway bar

please tell me what you guys are running and how it compares to stock or compared to the other suspensions setups!

thanks for the help!




yah, as you can see, my car is still the 4*4 look and needs some help ASAP =)
 
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Bump to revive this poll!! Can we add PSS10 and Moton to it also?

Come on guys, there have been a lot of you upgrade your suspension can we get some votes and reviews also?

Much appreciated. Thanks!
 
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I have PSS9s, but voted for KWVs...

I also recommend that you educate yourself on the limits of the suspension and why you need more than coil overs...

The JIC CROSS is a good alternative because of the camber plated that come with the kit, which will really help a lot.

You should also make sure that you can adjust caster, and can better control the changes at the adjustment points on the factory locations... Lot of guys have complained about those cam adjusters slipping, especially at the toe links.
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I'd say you need 3 or 4 separate polls:

1. Street driving, maybe agggressive, want lower

2. Street and occasional DE

3. Street and track- 50/50

4. Track car.

At least that is what I've taken away from my reading on suspensions.... right tool for the job, just depends on what job you're doing.

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I'd say you need 3 or 4 separate polls:

1. Street driving, maybe agggressive, want lower

2. Street and occasional DE

3. Street and track- 50/50

4. Track car.

At least that is what I've taken away from my reading on suspensions.... right tool for the job, just depends on what job you're doing.

A
ard, valid point, hoping the reviews will take care of that.

My particular case is a car that is primarily a daily driver, Houston has poor roads (the place is so flat, you'd think you could drive 10 yards without the next patch of concrete surface being higher/lower than the previous!), but I am going to as many DE's as I can get too.

The lowering springs look great and on the track handling is improved over stock (flame suit on) and at least on this one track session comparison I was able to make, not that bad at all in comparitson to PSS9's, all be it I don't know how stiff the pss9's were set at, ride height though was comparible to mine.. Where I am sure the pss9's would be far superior to my springs though is in the daily driving scenario, but still yet to compare. From what I can tell from my limited comparison and seat of the pants feel is I wouldn't go to PSS9's from the H&R springs, I am hoping that a clear, better, alternative will show up - probably KW's or JIC.
 
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I had JIC and switched to Motons.
 
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The PSS9s take some getting used to adjustment/ impact of adjustment. You also want to be able to adjust the sway bars in conjunction.

On the street I run both sway bars in the middle hole on the HR sway bars. I run the PSS9s at 3 rear and 5 front.

On the track I run the sway bars at softest on the front, with the rear set to the middle hole to start with. If I want to rotate the car quicker, or feel a slight push in the front Ill move the rear to full stiff. With the PSS9s I run the front on 3 and the rear on 1 at the track. My car is very low, lower than say a GT2 in stock adjustment from the factory...



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hmmmm........ let me think about this....
 
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Originally Posted by boss351
ard, valid point, hoping the reviews will take care of that.

My particular case is a car that is primarily a daily driver, Houston has poor roads (the place is so flat, you'd think you could drive 10 yards without the next patch of concrete surface being higher/lower than the previous!), but I am going to as many DE's as I can get too.

The lowering springs look great and on the track handling is improved over stock (flame suit on) and at least on this one track session comparison I was able to make, not that bad at all in comparitson to PSS9's, all be it I don't know how stiff the pss9's were set at, ride height though was comparible to mine.. Where I am sure the pss9's would be far superior to my springs though is in the daily driving scenario, but still yet to compare. From what I can tell from my limited comparison and seat of the pants feel is I wouldn't go to PSS9's from the H&R springs, I am hoping that a clear, better, alternative will show up - probably KW's or JIC.
I just listed a set of JIC Cross coilovers with 2 sets of springs in the FS section.
 
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Originally Posted by Mikelly
The PSS9s take some getting used to adjustment/ impact of adjustment. You also want to be able to adjust the sway bars in conjunction.

On the street I run both sway bars in the middle hole on the HR sway bars. I run the PSS9s at 3 rear and 5 front.

On the track I run the sway bars at softest on the front, with the rear set to the middle hole to start with. If I want to rotate the car quicker, or feel a slight push in the front Ill move the rear to full stiff. With the PSS9s I run the front on 3 and the rear on 1 at the track. My car is very low, lower than say a GT2 in stock adjustment from the factory...

Mike
Mike: what is hanging down in front, and how much does it affect airflow under the car?

I generally agree with Mike's comments, especially about adjusting to balance the handling. His aftermarket rear wing is pretty big, which might be making more downforce. That would tend to make the car push in higher speed sweepers. This is just and example of why tweaking the settings based on what you feel in the seat is so important.

Another thing to think about is that the weight on the front wheels changes by almost 100 lbs as you go from a full tank to an empty one. That makes the car push too. If you let the fuel level drop over the day, a car that was neutral in the morning would push in the afternoon. The point is - it's complicated to set up a car, and it's always a compromise that you have to adjust on all the time.

I wonder if that helped?
 
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It's one of the rubber panels that attaches to the inner fender liner that was ripped and flapping down... That's gone and since been replaced, thanks to the ground hog I hit back in August.

I had no ill effects from it not being properly attached... Much more problems from striking a 30# animal at 137MPH...

That's a REAL GOOD point about the fuel... I add 5 gallons of fuel between every run group session. I think this helps with developing consistant lap times.

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mike,

you can change out the eccentric washers with these locking washers. no more slippage!

 
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