Continuing my old thread with a different title as the topic has now changed to some extent...

In my earlier thread regarding type 2 over-revs, I found a car that showed the following:

Number of ignitions, range 1
5239 919.6h
Number of ignitions, range 2
132 915.8h
Operating hours counter
932.7


The Service Manager at the Porsche dealer suggested that these were minimal and nothing to worry about. He said this was a good car!

Considering the responses I've received from others, they suggest there IS a problem and I should stay away.

Background: the Service Manager was suggested by the independant dealer that is showing this car AND is almost directly across the street from this "indy" dealer. Is it possible that the Porsche Service Manager and the indy are working together on this and trying to move a car with a problem?

When I first received the report from the Porsche Dealer after the PPI, it was lacking in thoroughness (as compared to other PPIs I had seen). I had to call and request the print-out of the computer to see the results for myself. He was hesitant, but eventually FAX'd the report to me.

Is there a problem here or are we all too suspicious? If there IS a problem, should I contact PCNA?

What would you do?

Thanks for everyone's help on this.
Rich

 

don't stress it man.
too many cars around.
if you are not comfortable move on, plenty of other fish in the sea.

 

I agree. There are so many nice 996tt's to chose from, although I do understand that finding one in your area is much more convenient. As far as I understand it, the type 2 over-rev count is the number of ignitions during the event, so your number would likely represent just over a second fo over-rev. If it were to have happenned a long time ago, the you could say that someting bad would have happened to the engine by now; but being recent, you can't tell for sure.

If the car has any factory warranty left on it, PCNA can deny the warranty coverage due to the presence of the type 2 ("abuse"). Perhaps you could ask the service manager if he feels so confident about the car to give you something in writing about maintained warranty coverage despite the type 2, and include it in a CPO warranty at that (car could be run through his dealership for purchase).

If you're not comfortable, keep on looking until you find one that you are happy with. A few hundred dollars on PPIs here and there are well worth it for a good car and peace of mind. At least, in my opinion.

 

132 type 2 overrevs doesn't sound like a problem. That's only 1/3 second.

 

Rich, the number of ignitions in range 2 signifies that the car did see a very very short period of mechanical over rev. This in it self is not a huge problem, unlikely to have caused damage. But, in the rare event that there is some sort of internal damage down the line, these numbers will be checked and considered before warranty repair. I totally agree with the aforementioned attitude, if you dont feel 100% comfortable buying the car, dont. Whenever I am buying a personal car, I always maintain the mentality that the right car will find me, and it usually does. Good luck on your search.

Kevin H

 

Are the type 2's only caused by someone downshifting to the wrong gear?


I can't believe there are so many instances of this with these cars.

 

mechanically forced rpm past computer limit - yes, caused as you describe.

 

Maybe I'm being naive in thinking that type 2's shouldn't happen so often, but it seems like this pops up on everyone's PPI. Or maybe reading about the few instances on here compared to the tens of thousands of cars out there that probably don't have the type 2 has skewed my judgement.

Anyhow, good luck with your situation.

 

Most Type 2 overrev's probably do little or no damage, but PAG disowns a car utterly and completely if ANY REV2 violations are found. So if you get this car, assume it has no warranty whatsoever. Please remember that dozens of us have had to have complete transmission replacements at a cost ranging from $10k-$15k. The 996TT is not a reliable enough to get used without any warranty. This is not a bullet-proof model and, worse, PAG isn’t standing by the product.