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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 01:08 PM
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Keep the classics. If your toughest decision is deciding between a Z06 and keeping the TT, life is good. You make the call and just enjoy it.
 
Old Feb 20, 2007 | 01:15 PM
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 01:55 PM
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I just sold my 2001 996 Turbo demo, I now have the Z06 for my demo.
Wayyyyyy faster, Paint is real nice, no orange peel, maybe the color matters mine is yellow.
It is GM certified so it gets the 5yr 100000 mile warranty. 9700 miles
All this for only $66000
No way can I get a 2006 996 Turbo for mid 60s.
As for resale value, the 2001 996 I just sold- my customer paid $140000 new I sold it for $47000.
He got $45000 as trade value. You could have the Vette and $$$ left even if you buy new. When you do a reasale comparison.
I have also looked at other high $$$ imports resale value. The more they cost the more they loose. The exception is if you purchase a limited model like the GT3 RS. Or like my last P car the RS America, I sold it after it was 4 yrs. old. The Car is worth more today than I sold it for.
The Porsche does have a much richer inside and better snob appeal.
I like performance, there is no stock 996 Turbo that will beat the Z06.
On the other hand the Porsche is still a great car, I prefer the look of the Turbo over any car on the road except the 997 GT3 RS.
Good luck in whatever you do
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 02:13 PM
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keep your cars and buy a Z06...put lower compression pistons in and slap on some turbo's and walk nearly every p car out there.
 
Old Feb 20, 2007 | 02:54 PM
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I can relate. I have an 996TT and an '07 Z06. I kept reading all these articles on the performance of these cars and could not resist. It was difficult to rationalize with 3 children and room for only 2 cars in my garage, but I pulled the trigger anyway. I don't have any regrets. I love both cars for different reasons. The power and performance of the Z06 is unreal. I really enjoy have two high performance cars as opposed to just one really expensive sports car. Variety is good.
 
Old Feb 20, 2007 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris from Cali
Keep your muscle cars until you're ready to retire, then take them to Barrett-Jackson and cash in. Z06s will be a dime-a-dozen - your cars can't be replaced.
Ditto. The Z06 will be $35-45k in 2 years, and your classics will be double what they're worth right now. Give it some time and buy a low miles Z06 in a couple years for pennies.
 
Old Feb 20, 2007 | 11:13 PM
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I had a 2001 C5 Z06 when I decided to buy my X50 TT. I was going to sell it right away. That was over a year ago. I still own the Z06. I love both cars. The C5 Z06 is a blast. It is just so much fun. With 65,000 miles, the fiberglass body doesn't have a single ding or scratch. And I live in Florida where swinging your car door into others is a favorite sport for most retirees. The only serious mechanical problem I've had with the car in all this time was a broken clutch two months ago. I even like the interior. My one complaint is the fit of the interior is poor and the seat, while comfortable, are not supportive for spirited driving. Both of these have been changed in the new Z06.

I took the C6 Z51 for a test drive before the new Z06 came out. I does not compare to the C5 Z06. The latter is much more of a driver's car. Much more direct.

The Porsche's shift mechanism is much smoother than the vette's but sometimes its fun man-handling the vette's shifter. There is more power assist in the vette's steering and brakes. Not better, just different.

The problem with the Porsche is that it's too good. To have fun with it you have to track it or live near some police-free, winding roads.

And everyone thought I was cool driving the Vette: clients, employees and especially my kids friends. (and none of that really should matter)

I love my Porsche. Yes, more than the Vette. But it also cost twice as much.

My point is, the Vette is an incredible car and an awesome value. Everything I just spoke about was with a car that had an inferior interior and 100 less horsepower than the new version.

As for selling your classics, that's a personal call. Honestly, I would love to have those cars in my driveway and would never think of selling them to buy a second sports car.

One warning. Do not test drive the Z06 unless you are sure you want one. When I bought mine, I wasn't even in the market. After the test drive, I came back with my checkbook the next day.

And all you Porschephiles, stop ragging on the Z06s. They deserve a thumbs up as much as we do.
 
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Originally Posted by Bodybag
Ditto. The Z06 will be $35-45k in 2 years, and your classics will be double what they're worth right now. Give it some time and buy a low miles Z06 in a couple years for pennies.
I have another idea, why not go to Bondurant or Pahrump, NV for the advanced corvette racing school a couple times a year and get your kicks that way instead of buying a car that is best used on the track. This way you can enjoy the 3 cars that you have and still get the thrill you seek in a safe envt.

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Originally Posted by dgussin1
keep your cars and buy a Z06...put lower compression pistons in and slap on some turbo's and walk nearly every p car out there.
Because this is what's most important about cars...

Why does the "my car can beat your car" thing pervade EVERY discussion? Are we all 13 still and need to "be faster than everyone"? For me, driving/car ownership is all about the experience, not about who I might be able to smoke any given day. Do those of you who claim this stuff go out all day and look for people to "walk"?

Most places I've lived would result in a lost license, tons of fines, maybe even jail time if you went around racing people.

Back on topic - KEEP THE CLASSICS, they are irreplaceable.
 
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Originally Posted by Dirty Mac
I had a 2001 C5 Z06 when I decided to buy my X50 TT. I was going to sell it right away. That was over a year ago. I still own the Z06. I love both cars. The C5 Z06 is a blast. It is just so much fun. With 65,000 miles, the fiberglass body doesn't have a single ding or scratch. And I live in Florida where swinging your car door into others is a favorite sport for most retirees. The only serious mechanical problem I've had with the car in all this time was a broken clutch two months ago. I even like the interior. My one complaint is the fit of the interior is poor and the seat, while comfortable, are not supportive for spirited driving. Both of these have been changed in the new Z06.

I took the C6 Z51 for a test drive before the new Z06 came out. I does not compare to the C5 Z06. The latter is much more of a driver's car. Much more direct.

The Porsche's shift mechanism is much smoother than the vette's but sometimes its fun man-handling the vette's shifter. There is more power assist in the vette's steering and brakes. Not better, just different.

The problem with the Porsche is that it's too good. To have fun with it you have to track it or live near some police-free, winding roads.

And everyone thought I was cool driving the Vette: clients, employees and especially my kids friends. (and none of that really should matter)

I love my Porsche. Yes, more than the Vette. But it also cost twice as much.

My point is, the Vette is an incredible car and an awesome value. Everything I just spoke about was with a car that had an inferior interior and 100 less horsepower than the new version.

As for selling your classics, that's a personal call. Honestly, I would love to have those cars in my driveway and would never think of selling them to buy a second sports car.

One warning. Do not test drive the Z06 unless you are sure you want one. When I bought mine, I wasn't even in the market. After the test drive, I came back with my checkbook the next day.

And all you Porschephiles, stop ragging on the Z06s. They deserve a thumbs up as much as we do.
I strongly disagree. The interior is still made of very cheap material. Just tap on the top of the dash board once and listen to the hollow sound. As far as the seats go.......this is what all of the Vette owners ***** about. Go to the CF website and listen to the hundreds of complaints about the "LaZBoy" seats..their term, not mine.

Having said that, if you want a new Z06, get one. If you are used to German engineering like I am, you may regret it after the novelty wears off. There are a number of Pcars owners, however, that made the switch or own both and like the Z. To each their own.
 
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Great, now I need to check into a rehab center!

Thanks so much, guys. You folks out there are giving great advice and input. God love you all. However, now as a result, I can't work, can't sleep.

I think I hear the common thread I should keep my muscle cars. If anything, I know in my heart of hearts, you're all right. In a couple of years, I should be able to pick up the Z06 for much less and my cars hopefully will continue appreciating. It's just this immediate gratification thing kills me! (It's got to be the weather thing here in NE Ohio. First time in three weeks, we broke 32 degrees yesterday.)

Part of the consideration w/ these two classics is that they take attention. Lots of it. You see, after much deliberation I've chosen after restoration this past summer to DRIVE these cars vs. stagnate in a barn. As such, they require even more TLC and it really does take work.

I have to confess, I called a few local dealers that had their Z06's up for auction on Ebay just to get a few feelers out and I can't tell you the interest it generated from them. It's almost annoying, asking for serial #'s, history, pics, etc... So, that right there tells me something.

BTW, another thing that makes it hard is that this company, Desperate Enterprises last fall used my two cars to add it to their growing lineup of muscle cars. http://www.desperate.com/productview...inSigns&CAT2=1

(scroll to the end of the automotive section and you'll see the Cuda. GTO is being worked as we speak)

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My one complaint is the fit of the interior is poor and the seat, while comfortable, are not supportive for spirited driving. Both of these have been changed in the new Z06.
I strongly disagree. The interior is still made of very cheap material. Just tap on the top of the dash board once and listen to the hollow sound. As far as the seats go.......this is what all of the Vette owners ***** about. Go to the CF website and listen to the hundreds of complaints about the "LaZBoy" seats..their term, not mine.
You strongly disagree that the fit of the interior is poor and the seat is comfortable but not supportive or that these have been changed in the new Z06? So tapping on the dash has a hollow sound. Never thought of using that as a buying criteria. Have you ever tapped on that ultra-high tech four disc CD holder that occupies our center console?
By the way, Z06 comes standard with leather steering wheel (could never understand how Porsche had the audacity to sell such great cars with a plastic wheel), HUD (this is an incredibly useful piece of technology), a tach that has its red line at the top, a keyless/fob-less entry and start, dual zone climate control, carbon fiber fenders and floorboards, magnesium roof structure and engine cradle, brake cooling ducts...oh ya, and 505HP, 470 lb-ft and no gas guzzler tax!!!

Not bad for $70,000

My opinion: they are putting the big bucks where it counts.

Like I said in my previous post, I prefer my TT but you got to give respect where its due.

PS: Thank you admins/mods for taking off the rep system. Something tells me I might have ended up with a negative number after this post.
 
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You strongly disagree that the fit of the interior is poor and the seat is comfortable but not supportive or that these have been changed in the new Z06? So tapping on the dash has a hollow sound. Never thought of using that as a buying criteria. Have you ever tapped on that ultra-high tech four disc CD holder that occupies our center console?
By the way, Z06 comes standard with leather steering wheel (could never understand how Porsche had the audacity to sell such great cars with a plastic wheel), HUD (this is an incredibly useful piece of technology), a tach that has its red line at the top, a keyless/fob-less entry and start, dual zone climate control, carbon fiber fenders and floorboards, magnesium roof structure and engine cradle, brake cooling ducts...oh ya, and 505HP, 470 lb-ft and no gas guzzler tax!!!

Not bad for $70,000

My opinion: they are putting the big bucks where it counts.

Like I said in my previous post, I prefer my TT but you got to give respect where its due.

PS: Thank you admins/mods for taking off the rep system. Something tells me I might have ended up with a negative number after this post.
First off, you can't compare a car that is 5-6 years old to one that is brand new. I will grant the 996tt has some cheap parts to the interior. They were greatly improved in the 997, beit a TT or a C2 or the CaymanS that I owned. All of which blow away today's Vette. Interiors in the Vettes were bad in the C5 model and are now just average. Bottom line, you are paying $70K for an American made car, you better have at least a nice interior.

Have you ever been in a C6 or C6Z? Just touch the door panels, dashboards, etc. It's junk. The control ***** are the size of a hubcap on a '78 Buick.
What good is a magnesium roof that won't stay on?
HUD? wouldn't make me want to buy one
Brakes? Can't even withstand one entire day at the track (this is well documented)
Keyless FOB -- who wants a push button start? I hated it (just something else that will break)
Seats -- recliner like
Steering Feel -- very numb feel and very little feedback from the road to the steering

I owned a C6Z51 and outside of the raw HP/TQ #'s, it did NOTHING for me. the seating postion is awful then you have that long nose to look over. I found very awkward. I know my Vette was not a Z06 but the interiors are nearly identical.

I think the C6Z51 is a great deal for its price of $45K. You have to cough up another $30K for 105HP and have the same interior/fit and finish for a Z? No thanks.

FWIW, I never neg repped anyone when we had the system. I am no P car fanboy. I like all kinds of cars (including the Vette to a certain degree).

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