I had a blast yesterday at the track!! Thanks again Joe for organizing another great event!!!

 

Re-read my post below. And then tell me why I shouldn't doubt some of the claimed GT700 numbers:

That would definitely be the easiest way for you to get out of having to debate me. To be perfectly honest, after reading your innacurate, "left-field" replies, I really can't blame you for throwing in the towel.

 

Some of you guys take this **** way to serious IMO

Christian

 

In the sake of "accuracy" as you like to preach, Chinito's car IS a GT700 package, PERIOD. Regardless of what you would like to add with your subjective commentary, that's what he paid for that's what he got. For you to discredit EVOMS GT700 is not right. Regardless of what the car traps it IS a GT700 and should be labled as such on your list, not to do so is extremely biased and makes me, as well as, several others that I have been recently in contact with, question your true motives in creating your "list"

 

I'm sure you're right, Christian. Unfortunately, I'm also pretty sure that I'm one of "those guys".

 

Hey, all I know is someone makes a post about a cool event others should not make it a pissin contest and question everything about it. It goes both ways, nothing personel towards you or anyone else but you guys take it way to serious IMO

Christian

 

I don't post "package names", because package names only imply HP...inaccurately in some cases. I only post actual HP, or as close as I can get to actual.

I also didn't discredit EVOMS at all. It seems to me that a prospective buyer reading this thread would get the impression that some GT700 cars make closer to 800 HP. In case you didn't know....that's a good thing.

As far as my reasons for creating the list...it's because no list existed. Thus, I created one. Period.

Any other made-up reasons are just school girl chatter, and nothing more.

 

Here is my bit of advice...

Being in the drag racing/street racing scene for AWHILE...

When it comes down to being at the strip/street, DYNO NUMBERS DON'T MEAN ****!

The biggest upsets come from people "bench racing" and going strictly off of dyno numbers. There are MANY other factors that come into play during racing, and dyno numbers really don't mean a damn thing. Any other racers will agree with me.

Thanks.

 

The facts speak for themselves. People are smart enough to see what is going on and figure it out.

Have a nice day

 

Yes, people are indeed smart enough.

Have a nice day, yourself.

 

You're a very wise man, Jim.

 

Agreed ,that's why you have never seen a dyno sheet posted from me!

 

Dyno numbers are great, don't get me wrong. But they are unreliable when it comes to racing.

If you are going to go out to an event and everyone knows you have a (example only) 800 horsepower car. You end up at the tree, take off, didn't do a proper burnout, ****ty track prep, weather variables, etc, and you end up running an 11.5 when YOU know the car is capable of MUCH better. The people watching/talking/bench racing laugh because the car should be better. But now a car with 675 horsepower comes up and runs a 10.75, everyone will then start to discredit the dyno numbers...which should have never played a roll in it to begin with.

 

Scott,

You know I respect you as much as anyone on this site. You are a car enthusiast through and through. However, in this case, I humbly suggest that you are over-stepping your bounds and your decision making may be clouded by your tuner affiliations.

Todd has stated without qualification that Chinto’s car made 700 fwhp on pump gas, and 740 fwhp on race gas. Todd was present when the car was dynoed, so he should know. In order to reject Todd’s unqualified statement and, instead, post your individual conclusion that Chinto’s car makes 800 fwhp, you are necessarily calling Todd a liar. I submit to you that, before you make such an accusation, you better have more than anecdotal comparisons and conjecture. You better have direct evidence before you proffer such an accusation.

While your anecdotal comparisons are interesting, they are not, IMHO, sufficiently compelling to reject Todd’s unqualified statements regarding Chinto’s hp. Moreover, Todd has presented a cogent explanation for the differences in times between the reference cars you cited, including noteworthy factual distinctions between the various cars and drivers that undermine, or at least weaken, the validity of your anecdotal comparisons. I have not seen any meaningful response to Todd’s explanation of these important distinctions between the cars and drivers.

You have taken it upon yourself to maintain the ¼ mile reference list. I salute you for that. However, recognize that the maintenance of this list has certain important implications. When deciding which tuner package to purchase, members of 6Speed undoubtedly reference your list as an important source of data. Therefore, it is incumbent on you to input and maintain the data without bias or prejudice. You cannot allow your strong affiliation with Protomotive to affect your maintenance of the list, such as by applying greater scrutiny to information supplied by other tuners (frankly, I don’t think anyone with a strong affiliation to a particular tuner should be tasked with the maintenance of this list, but that is water under the bridge). If you obtain direct evidence that someone’s claimed hp is inaccurate, by all means post your direct evidence and adjust the list accordingly. However, in the absence of direct evidence, I think you should refrain from editing the list based upon your own opinions and hypotheses supported only by anecdotal comparisons that are far from conclusive.

If you have direct evidence that Chinto’s car makes more hp than what Todd posted, please share your evidence. Otherwise, notwithstanding your anecdotal hypotheses and comparison driven opinions, I believe you must accept Todd’s unqualified statements as truthful.

Separately, I do not appreciate the unnecessary and pejorative reference to my car.

I was not present when any of the subject cars were dynoed, nor when they made their ¼ mile passes, and I have no direct evidence of anything. Nevertheless, I wanted to share my uninformed 2 cents. This is not my fight and I will not post again on the subject. I hope you guys work it out.

Craig

 

Scott,

I believe that Todd has previously posted that DMk's car is not making 700rwhp and somewhere in 660rwhp.

Jag