Guys, I thinking of beefing up the brakes a bit with the soon-to-be addition of some hybrid turbos. Anyhow, I was thinking of getting steal braided brake lines, synthetic brake fluid, and new pads. Any recommendations on what brake lines and pads I should get? Keep in mind, this is my weekend car that sees 2-4 DE track events and 2-4 autocross events a year. Any advice/recommendations are welcome.

 

Pagid Yellows (might squeel a bit but they do stop you at the track!)

GT3 Cup brake ducts from your dealer or at www.carnewal-europe.com

and of course appropriate lines and fluid.

With that setup and semislick tires you can enjoy super late braking at track events!

 

I liked the Pagid Oranges myself and put on all four brakes.

They also squeal on the street.

MK

 

What is the difference in the Pagid Oranges and Pagid Yellows pads???

 

USC,

Braided lines..look nice, but that's it. Save your money.

If you track the car, put in some Castrol SRF and Pagids, choose from here whatyou need: http://www.pagidusa.com/characteri.html , do a PROPER bleeding job at a reputable shop, and make sure the ventilation ducts in your discs are clean of of rust and hardened brake dust. You should be fine.

 

Thanks Jean,

the pagid link is priceless. Good Info, although now with my big Brembos
I have Ferodos'.

MK

 

Why do you say this? I have them on my BMW and the pedal feel is awesome with the braided lines. Was going to order some up for the P-car this week.

 

So for my situation (little track time and mostly neighborhood/freeway driving) should I go with the Pagid Yellows or Oranges???

 

orange NO question...yellow is a FULL FLEDGED race pad...GT spec...it what I am going to be using in my Bstock car...


fyi...its

Black 4-2-1
blue 4-2
orange 4-4
blue 5
black 14(this is where pads get noticably harsher, noisier and take more than a spirited street drive to warm up)
Grey-15
Yellow-19
Yellow-29

 

This is what we have used that works best for a street car that sees track time.

1. Brake Fluid - Castrol SRF or ELF Racing , the system should be blead before each track weekend. Nothing crazy just a simple bleed per corner.

2. Steel braided lines will help in pedal feel and are recommended.
Goodridge makes a set as does stoptech, as long as they are DOT you are ok.

3. Brake pads
Pagid Blues are a good agressive street pad that works great on the track under moderate use and will be most bearable to live with all year round.

Pagid Orange are probably the most commonly used pads and work great at the track are very rotor friendly but will squel on the street.


You can also try Mintex racing pads in either 1155 or 1166 compunds the later being harder and will squel more.


GT2 or GT3 Cup front brake cooling scoops will help keep temperatures down under severe braking.
GT2 rear brake scoops are also a nice addition.

Keep in mind that racing brake pads have a certain operating temperature that they need to be at in order to work properly. So keep that in mind, just adding cooling ducts may not improve your braking at all but may actually hurt it if the pads are not coming up to temperature.


You should take into consideration the tires you are running at the track and how sticky they are since they will also effect braking.

All things to consider......

 

Excellent Advice by Fabryce ^^^^^,

He should (and does) know!

MK

 

I agree with Fabrice on everything (except the braided lines of course) for a car that goes on the track. However for a Neighbourhood / highway car, even with 2000HP, I fail to understand any recommendation for braking upgrade!

I don't have anything to sell and I am probably too realistic? The braided lines give you absolutely nothing, I don't know how pedal feel can be measured but if your pedal does not feel rock solid, check out air in the system or leaks, otherwise pass, they are useless in relation to performance.

As to Pagid pads, no neighbourhood or highway driving will put enough strain on your brakes to overcome stock pads or discs, unless if highway runs are 200mph runs repetitively evry other minute and coming to a dead stop. These brakes have been designed for autobhan fast driving over the life of the car, I don't see any driving in the US being more demanding. For the track, where you can reach optimum temps for them and lap times are important, it is a different ballgame.

If it serves as any reference, I use stock discs and calipers on my 993TT, have been racing and tracking it for 2 years and I have a quite fast car I have also done the Nurburgring in 8:30 and driven the autobhan at 200mph racing all sorts of bikes and cars...with 100% stock brakes, except mild Pagids.

Cooling and good oil and bleeding are about everything you need for your described SPECIFIC USAGE, the rest is great marketing. Save the money.

 

after doing all the other hyped up mods, what else can you waste some doe on? BRAKES!.......... STOPS FASTER AND QUICKER!

 

What kind of tires are you on? If you're trying to reduce distances, a simple tire upgrade may be the best thing you can do. As others have said, there are good upgrades elsewhere depending on what you're trying to accomplish (repeated stops, etc.)

 

Where is a good place to buy the pagid brake pads from???