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Old Sep 20, 2007 | 03:54 PM
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roll bar install

I tried searching and I didnt come up with anything.

Is there a DIY Porsche Techquipment Rollbar install thread somewhere?

I heard its a PITA, but Im looking for some detailed instructions.

Does the Bose Sub box have to come out? Im guessing the back seats come out also? Where do the mounts bolt to?

Thanks for any help.

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Old Sep 20, 2007 | 06:47 PM
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Its not that hard. There's a great DIY on rennlist by rockitman. I did mine by myself in about 3-4 hours.

It mounts to the seatbelt mounts.
 
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Tools Needed:
12 pack of German (or Belgium) beer
Rubber Mallet
Helper Dude that can benchpress about twice his bodyweight
blankets to cover sills (so when front seats come out you dont scratch sills)
patience
dremmel tool to modify carpet at sill area near front mounting bolt
more patience

allow (4) hours and longer bolts than provided for front mounts help
back seats do not come out (maybe seat bottoms)
see Rennlist instructions

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Old Sep 20, 2007 | 08:57 PM
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Thanks. Im going to give it a whirl this weekend. I only wish my GT3 seats were here.

Anyone have any in NC they want to sell me? MIne are backordered and wont make it here before the track next week.

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Dave,

Here are some key points that will help it go in smoothly.

1) Remove the front mirror - it will not go in with the mirror on. The mirror can be left dangling by the wires - no need to fully remove it. You will have to pass it over the bar at the appropriate time.

2) Fully tape the door sills with several layers of painters tape.

3) Pull back the carpet above the front seat belt bolts and with a dremmel cutting tool...cut an opening in the plastic sill large enough for the upright tubing to fit into, as this plastic prevents the bar from going where it belongs as you screw into the SB mounting point. Eye the angle of the upright tube from the bolt area and cut the plastic accordingly. Watch for wires behind the plastic - they are very visable, even before you begin cutting, so you know where they are...mine were down low and fully out of the way, but I have heard they can be higher, so just make sure.

4) Roll the bar from front to back and when going rearward have the second person pull downward as hard as they can to prevent damage to the headliner. If you don't do this you will scratch the headliner and possibly cut/wear a hole through it. It's a flush tight fit, but when pulling down - it goes back pretty easily.

5) Once in place, mine bolted up pretty easily and it was just a metter of re-asembly. It took me about 4 hours and I had to go online twice: once to ask questions about how it rolls into position and then again to find out how to clear the mirror, but I think I removed the mirror and got it in before that one was answered.

If I had known what I just told you, it would have gone pretty smoothly. I spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to roll it frontward , then tried rearward, but ran into the mirror issue. Thats when I turned to help to confirm the direction of rotation...

Good luck and enjoy! You should notice tighter handling on your first good drive.
 
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I took it to the shop to get it in.

It went pretty smooth except for a small place on my headliner, which they said they would fix.

Was worth the $400 it cost to get them to do it.
 
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Dave,

It must be nice to just pick it up done! And I understand the ease of paying to get it done, however, knowing the potential for a shop to damage the interior on an install like this - one must be certain they are competent and will not damage your interior. I was more comfortable doing it myself, as my interior is perfect and I wanted to keep it that way. It turned out to be an interesting and rewarding experience. I was warned that if not done carefully, you wouldl have to replace the headliner and scratch the sills (they should be taped prior to installation)...that is why we were tuned into this aspect and pulled down hard as we roilled it back.
 
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Dave,

It must be nice to just pick it up done! And I understand the ease of paying to get it done, however, knowing the potential for a shop to damage the interior on an install like this - one must be certain they are competent and will not damage your interior. I was more comfortable doing it myself, as my interior is perfect and I wanted to keep it that way. It turned out to be an interesting and rewarding experience. I was warned that if not done carefully, you wouldl have to replace the headliner and scratch the sills (they should be taped prior to installation)...that is why we were tuned into this aspect and pulled down hard as we roilled it back.
Yeah, I was a little concerned but the shop who did it had done them before. I also didnt have anyone to help me, which i heard makes the job alot easier so I just opted to have it done.

On another note, the car feels alot tighter now.
 
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It definetely takes two people to do it properly. I noticed the handling right away and still notice it on hard corners every day...
 

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It is not an easy install, but it is very doable with some tips and patience. The rennlist DIY really helped. Here is a link to a great thread with plenty of tips. I posed some photo's of how I modified the plastic sill and saved some of time and effort. For me that was the key. good luck!

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...d.php?t=304538
 
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If you decide to go the shop install route I can recommend Orton in Atlanta. I am a perfectionist and was concerned about the smallest mark or blemish but his work was perfection. Also, I cringe when I hear the suggestion to crush the plastic sills with a mallet . Take the time and do it right, pull the carpet back and cut the plastic to make room for the bar.
 
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I suggest a porsche service centre. They should do a good job but you will pay more.
 
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Just take your time and be careful. There are a few things that can get you, read up ahead of time. Unfortunately, the bolts are very prone to cross threading, be careful and take your time. A dremmel tool is huuuge. Make sure the bolt collars ( I'm not sure what they are really called) are assembled correctly. It's definitely a two man job. If you do take it somewhere, make sure they have done it before, it makes all the difference. If the shop has experience, it can be a 2-3 hour job, first timers could be an all day ordeal. There are all kinds of potential pitfalls, scratched paint, broken mirrors and windshield you just have to take your time.
There was also a very helpful thread on Renntech.org a while back.
 

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