How can I get some serious speed from my 996 Tiptronic?
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How can I get some serious speed from my 996 Tiptronic?
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Recently purchased my first Porsche... 2002 C2 tiptronic. Auto mode or manual shift mode is very smooth, but not crazy fast. Road in an M3 set at most aggressive transmission setting, and the M3 seemed MUCH faster. My understanding is that there are 9 'shift patterns' on the C2, and that you have to drive it very hard for quite a while to get it up to the most aggressive level. Would prefer to just flip a switch - seems very difficult to go from daily driving to 'wicked fast'.
Seperately, also getting a persistent brake squeel. Brakes pads are 90%. Looking for ideas here too!
Any ideas would be much appreciated!
Recently purchased my first Porsche... 2002 C2 tiptronic. Auto mode or manual shift mode is very smooth, but not crazy fast. Road in an M3 set at most aggressive transmission setting, and the M3 seemed MUCH faster. My understanding is that there are 9 'shift patterns' on the C2, and that you have to drive it very hard for quite a while to get it up to the most aggressive level. Would prefer to just flip a switch - seems very difficult to go from daily driving to 'wicked fast'.
Seperately, also getting a persistent brake squeel. Brakes pads are 90%. Looking for ideas here too!
Any ideas would be much appreciated!
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Congrats on your purchase. Hope you enjoy it as much as I do mine. These cars are just not 0-60 super fast. The overall driving experience is were the car pulls away from the rest.
I also have that squea
l is normal until the brakes heat up. To get rid of it you need to install a different set of pads. If you do a search on this subject you will get a better idea. Next spring I will look to change mine out to minimize both brake dust and squeal
As far as the tip goes, well....it is what it is...make the best of it.
I also have that squea
l is normal until the brakes heat up. To get rid of it you need to install a different set of pads. If you do a search on this subject you will get a better idea. Next spring I will look to change mine out to minimize both brake dust and squeal
As far as the tip goes, well....it is what it is...make the best of it.
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Hello,
Recently purchased my first Porsche... 2002 C2 tiptronic. Auto mode or manual shift mode is very smooth, but not crazy fast. Road in an M3 set at most aggressive transmission setting, and the M3 seemed MUCH faster. My understanding is that there are 9 'shift patterns' on the C2, and that you have to drive it very hard for quite a while to get it up to the most aggressive level. Would prefer to just flip a switch - seems very difficult to go from daily driving to 'wicked fast'.
Seperately, also getting a persistent brake squeel. Brakes pads are 90%. Looking for ideas here too!
Any ideas would be much appreciated!
Recently purchased my first Porsche... 2002 C2 tiptronic. Auto mode or manual shift mode is very smooth, but not crazy fast. Road in an M3 set at most aggressive transmission setting, and the M3 seemed MUCH faster. My understanding is that there are 9 'shift patterns' on the C2, and that you have to drive it very hard for quite a while to get it up to the most aggressive level. Would prefer to just flip a switch - seems very difficult to go from daily driving to 'wicked fast'.
Seperately, also getting a persistent brake squeel. Brakes pads are 90%. Looking for ideas here too!
Any ideas would be much appreciated!
As for your brakes... are the dampers/anti squeal on?
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Congrats on the purchase and if you want SPEED out of a 996 Tip...FIND A BIG HILL.
Just joking.....there are a great deal of very knowledgeable folks on this forum that will help you. You will never realize the feel of an SMG type trans or that of a 6 speed so just throw a blower on it and make it a highway monster.
Just joking.....there are a great deal of very knowledgeable folks on this forum that will help you. You will never realize the feel of an SMG type trans or that of a 6 speed so just throw a blower on it and make it a highway monster.
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Are you asking, in regards to your trans, if there's an ECU reprogram or a new valve body you can install that would liven up the shifts? If THAT is your question............ I will wait for someone who knows to answer. (I do know that there were a plethora of options for my old mustang)
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The Tip is about 1/2 sec slower 0-60 and the top speed is 1 mph less than the 6 speed. Just because you are doing more doesn't mean the car is doing that much more. The Tip from the 2002 car is the same as the one from the Turbo cars. It will be able to take some serious power mods safely; I think it is power rated upwards of 600 bhp. Here is a pointer for getting the most out of the Tipto box http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Drivi..._at_track_days. It is hardly the trans from a lexus sedan, merc suv or an assortment of minivans. It is similar to BMW's Steptronic and Audi's unit. It is slower than the 6-Speed, but the new PDK is faster by the same margin over the 6-Speed on every model 
I live in LA and it works well as a semi-daily driver with enough pep to keep it a contender. Hard to rate it against the BMW unless you are running them side by side since the BMWs always seem/sound like they are winding quicker, but that doesn't always translate to road speed.
As for the brakes, the brake job might have been done without replacing the silencers. You may have to have them pulled and new silencers installed. Get them checked.
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I live in LA and it works well as a semi-daily driver with enough pep to keep it a contender. Hard to rate it against the BMW unless you are running them side by side since the BMWs always seem/sound like they are winding quicker, but that doesn't always translate to road speed. As for the brakes, the brake job might have been done without replacing the silencers. You may have to have them pulled and new silencers installed. Get them checked.
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In this example doing more does = car doing much more
The tip does have its advanteges. My wife would drive my car much more often if it had one.
Hmmm....come to think of it the tip has zero advantages.
PDK is a complete different trani and story. Two gearboxes in one, each with its own clutch.
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half a second for 0-60 times is huge.
In this example doing more does = car doing much more
The tip does have its advanteges. My wife would drive my car much more often if it had one.
Hmmm....come to think of it the tip has zero advantages.
PDK is a complete different trani and story. Two gearboxes in one, each with its own clutch.
In this example doing more does = car doing much more
The tip does have its advanteges. My wife would drive my car much more often if it had one.
Hmmm....come to think of it the tip has zero advantages.
PDK is a complete different trani and story. Two gearboxes in one, each with its own clutch.
And then there are these things called type 2 over-revs which are probably the 996 engine's worst enemy. They are the little thing that void your warranty and help make the motor go boom. Missed down-shifts and prolonged up-shifts are the sole reason for type 2 over-revs. They are also the first thing Porsche will look at when deciding whether or not to cover your blown motor; the ecu won't lie
The Tip boxes are mapped not to produce type 2 over-revs.I have owned 3 911 Porches, 2 sticks and the Tip. They are/were all fun and distinctly different. The 996 Tip car is as fast as the early 90's Turbo cars. The 996 manual cars are as fast as the mid 90's Turbo cars. The old early 90's Tip cars were almost 2 seconds slower than the manuals and 3 seconds slower than the 928 GTS and RS America; the 996 Tip is faster than both of those. That being said, the Turbo and Supercharged cars have and will always be the fastest 911's. That is the only realm where you truly see sizeable differences in speed or acceleration. http://www.carspecsdirectory.com/Porsche.htm
The PDK is definitely a different tranny and story. It replaces the Tip by the way in the tranny line-up. It is 2 trannys in 1 with a double clutch. You can call it an electric manual, automatic or whatever makes you happy; the bottom line is it shifts itself. It has a manual mode where the driver can shift it via the steering wheel buttons and Auto mode like the Tip, but that's where the similarities end. In it's regular form it's .3 second faster than the manual box and in it's Sports Chrono package it's .2 second faster than the regular PDK or .5 sec faster than the manual tranny. So in this example, the driver doing more does not = the car is doing more; the driver doing more = the car is doing much less using your definition of much. If you commanding the stick makes you feel better or more in charge, shift on; the PDK cars and the GTRs will be launching on by. Why Porsche waited so long to introduce it is beyond me seeing that they've had the technology since the 80's.
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You can tell me how much more the car is doing all day long, but unless you spend all of your time racing from 0-60 then the differences will be minimal. Unless all of your shifts are perfect, then the margin will be reduced even further. With the exception of 1st gear the remaining shifts in the Tip box are faster transfers than the manual box, there is no TQ converter lag on the upper gears. The Tip box ECU was mapped to limit the engine to 6,200 rpms in first gear and the subsequent gears wind to 7,200 rpms. This in part accounts for the slower 0-60 times.
And then there are these things called type 2 over-revs which are probably the 996 engine's worst enemy. They are the little thing that void your warranty and help make the motor go boom. Missed down-shifts and prolonged up-shifts are the sole reason for type 2 over-revs. They are also the first thing Porsche will look at when deciding whether or not to cover your blown motor; the ecu won't lie The Tip boxes are mapped not to produce type 2 over-revs.
I have owned 3 911 Porches, 2 sticks and the Tip. They are/were all fun and distinctly different. The 996 Tip car is as fast as the early 90's Turbo cars. The 996 manual cars are as fast as the mid 90's Turbo cars. The old early 90's Tip cars were almost 2 seconds slower than the manuals and 3 seconds slower than the 928 GTS and RS America; the 996 Tip is faster than both of those. That being said, the Turbo and Supercharged cars have and will always be the fastest 911's. That is the only realm where you truly see sizeable differences in speed or acceleration. http://www.carspecsdirectory.com/Porsche.htm
The PDK is definitely a different tranny and story. It replaces the Tip by the way in the tranny line-up. It is 2 trannys in 1 with a double clutch. You can call it an electric manual, automatic or whatever makes you happy; the bottom line is it shifts itself. It has a manual mode where the driver can shift it via the steering wheel buttons and Auto mode like the Tip, but that's where the similarities end. In it's regular form it's .3 second faster than the manual box and in it's Sports Chrono package it's .2 second faster than the regular PDK or .5 sec faster than the manual tranny. So in this example, the driver doing more does not = the car is doing more; the driver doing more = the car is doing much less using your definition of much. If you commanding the stick makes you feel better or more in charge, shift on; the PDK cars and the GTRs will be launching on by. Why Porsche waited so long to introduce it is beyond me seeing that they've had the technology since the 80's.
TDK
And then there are these things called type 2 over-revs which are probably the 996 engine's worst enemy. They are the little thing that void your warranty and help make the motor go boom. Missed down-shifts and prolonged up-shifts are the sole reason for type 2 over-revs. They are also the first thing Porsche will look at when deciding whether or not to cover your blown motor; the ecu won't lie
The Tip boxes are mapped not to produce type 2 over-revs.I have owned 3 911 Porches, 2 sticks and the Tip. They are/were all fun and distinctly different. The 996 Tip car is as fast as the early 90's Turbo cars. The 996 manual cars are as fast as the mid 90's Turbo cars. The old early 90's Tip cars were almost 2 seconds slower than the manuals and 3 seconds slower than the 928 GTS and RS America; the 996 Tip is faster than both of those. That being said, the Turbo and Supercharged cars have and will always be the fastest 911's. That is the only realm where you truly see sizeable differences in speed or acceleration. http://www.carspecsdirectory.com/Porsche.htm
The PDK is definitely a different tranny and story. It replaces the Tip by the way in the tranny line-up. It is 2 trannys in 1 with a double clutch. You can call it an electric manual, automatic or whatever makes you happy; the bottom line is it shifts itself. It has a manual mode where the driver can shift it via the steering wheel buttons and Auto mode like the Tip, but that's where the similarities end. In it's regular form it's .3 second faster than the manual box and in it's Sports Chrono package it's .2 second faster than the regular PDK or .5 sec faster than the manual tranny. So in this example, the driver doing more does not = the car is doing more; the driver doing more = the car is doing much less using your definition of much. If you commanding the stick makes you feel better or more in charge, shift on; the PDK cars and the GTRs will be launching on by. Why Porsche waited so long to introduce it is beyond me seeing that they've had the technology since the 80's.
TDK
Come on now...
I will shift on, you got that right.
Enjoy your tip