See, this is the exact reason he didn't want pics of some old prototype (AHEM nine96) to be posted. That was a preliminary design, so judgements can't be made based on that because his newer refined designs look far different and unrecognizable from his original design and even from RSS's old design.

 

Good observations.. but I don't think he's re-inventing the wheel here because he stated that his goal is to produce a product that will retain the stock plenum, thus greatly reducing cost. I don't think this will evolve into a product that replaces the stock plenum, otherwise what's the point, RSS has already done it with much success. There will be no patent issue here, any more than there is a patent issue between Fabspeed and Tubi. They both make exhaust systems, but so what? Different designs. Yeah, you gotta wonder why Porsche didn't think of something so simple.. I think they simply didn't pay enough attention to this little part on such a complex machine. Period. Sometimes people give too much credit to Porsche because of the name. They are in business to make money like everyone else. If they scrutinized every little piece of the vehicle instead of getting it into our eager little hands as soon as possible, they'd never stay in business. Speed to market dictates that you must overlook some of the small things to keep your eye on the bigger picture.

 

Thnx for the insight Eric, I do appreciate you looking out for us. No doubt the IDP Plenum is a work of art and quality is second to none. My thoughts has always been "One man's effort is another man's gain". I learned so much from all of you and especially DJ for hosting such a wonderful tool. I have no intention of taken one man's dream and call it my own, that's not my style. Just think of it as a contribution to all 6speeders regardless if my design works or not, I think of it as my time well spent and finish a project I started. If all turned out as I planned, we will all benefit from this. Stay tune and wish me luck on this guys.....

 

My thought on this..

 

xdream,

keep up the good fight. great idea, and real happy to see someone pursue it! can't wait to see the end result

 

i still want one

 

simple mod for 996 w/ pse is to take the pse off, buy yourself a muffler bypass, and buy yourself some steak and beer.

 

If I'd just paid $1k for something similar, I would probably have a derogatory opinion too.

 

I don't have a derogatory opinion of his product. I applaud him for experimenting. I don't regret purchasing the RSS product for a minute. I'm quite pleased with the results and the part is better than factory. I can almost never say that about an aftermarket product. I'm still amazed at how many people complain about the price of the RSS plenum, especially after xdream stated how much he's spent just developing this product. It's going to take a lot of sales at $200 each to recoup his time and money. I'd equate his product to the airbox plug or the hacked mufflers. Nothing wrong with those mods, I'd rather just replace the parts and be done with it. These are expensive cars. I don't mind putting a few bucks in them.

I'm just guessing, but probably at the end of the day when the R&D is done, his product will end up costing more than $200 and it won't make as much HP. I could be wrong, but why would RSS have gone to the great lengths that they did, when they could have just stuck a metal plate in there instead? If he does end up with the same or better results for less money, well cudos to him then. He seems like he knows what he is doing and I wish him the best of luck. Personally I don't have a problem with spending 1 percent of the purchase price to pick up 25hp. That's not a bad deal... If he can do it for .25 percent, even better.

 

Just curious. Why cast aluminum? Doesn't it get heat soaked?

Are you saying that (with holes and grooves) it's a cast version of the Tornado?

 

The aluminim plenum will only get heat from the engine compartment after shut-off. It will be cooled within 5 min of driving.

The "tornado" is an object disrupting airflow in a straight path.
The plenum is a piece smoothing airflow through a T.

The holes are for intake pulse shaping and were developed on the dyno as well as bench flow testing.

 

The plastic plenum will be cooler than the aluminum plenum regardless of whether you are driving or sitting still. Therefore, your intake temperatures are higher with the alumunim. Tests have proven this over and over again.

 

I've driven with my datalogger. I haven't see really much difference at all with my intake temps. They've pretty much remained the same give or take a few degrees. Maybe that piece isn't big enough to really make a noticeable difference vs some of the long intake tubes you see on the import cars.

 

Your datalogger does not read the temperature of the plenum or intake, It reads the temperture of the air at the MAF only. You don't think that you plenum air temperature is what it reads at the MAF with your blower running, do you?

 

no, i'm just being a retard with my head up my ***. duh, what was I thinking?

it would be interesting to see just how hot that plenum gets and how much trasferrence takes place.