Brake thread again: Ceramics vs big reds ve real racing brakes
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Brake thread again: Ceramics vs big reds ve real racing brakes
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It seems that folks are still having issues with 2nd (or 3rd?) generation ceramics, and if you have to pay $5K a fix per rotor, that's a chunk of money. Porsche seems to be covering some of these problems under warranty.
Note that they (PMNA) have switched to ceramics in front and reds in the back in ALMS and other racing series due to the high cost of ceramic repairs.
So, I see it this way:
(1) Hard driving, high run group in HPDE, maybe some club racing, daily driving = ceramics and eat the cost of replacement;
(2) Semi-professional, many club racers and/or or pro racers = bigger brakes, APs, whatever;
(3) Daily drivers with some HPDE = red calipers.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance - Gerry
It seems that folks are still having issues with 2nd (or 3rd?) generation ceramics, and if you have to pay $5K a fix per rotor, that's a chunk of money. Porsche seems to be covering some of these problems under warranty.
Note that they (PMNA) have switched to ceramics in front and reds in the back in ALMS and other racing series due to the high cost of ceramic repairs.
So, I see it this way:
(1) Hard driving, high run group in HPDE, maybe some club racing, daily driving = ceramics and eat the cost of replacement;
(2) Semi-professional, many club racers and/or or pro racers = bigger brakes, APs, whatever;
(3) Daily drivers with some HPDE = red calipers.
What do you think?
Thanks in advance - Gerry
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+1 I can't recall reading anything here with any significant problems with the Gen 2 pccb's. Mine have been perfect
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I have em' on my car and they do work! They do the same job as the PCCB's. Maybe the stopping distance is 5ft less. But overall $8k
IDK about that. I'd rather get a Exhuast System, Tune, & Maybe sme Bilstein's to top it off.
I have em' on my car and they do work! They do the same job as the PCCB's. Maybe the stopping distance is 5ft less. But overall $8k
IDK about that. I'd rather get a Exhuast System, Tune, & Maybe sme Bilstein's to top it off.
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I have the ceramics and I love them. For less than $8k I got a piece of the Carrera GT! The biggest downside of the ceramics IMO is that you can't fit 18" wheels, which makes a winter tire and wheel setup difficult and expensive.
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Love my current generation ceramics. If you want to say they are too expensive, I'm not gonna argue. But I do not know anyone who has them who does not love them, me included. They have been perfect.
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Paid $19k for the Ceramics on my F430, the $9k for PCCB's is almost a bargain imo. As long as you don't need to replace a rotor the Ceramics actually cost LESS to maintain then the big reds because you don't need to change rotors w/ every (as Porsche recommends) or every other (say you only use 50% of the pads) pad change.
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Do you have a link to that rec, I've never seen that in any TSB. Besides the cost of 4 rotors is under $1100 ($860 on a 996tt) from suncoast.
If you drive your car hard, ie track, you will be replacing all 4 rotors at some point, that's a fact.
Ceramics are a cure for a disease that didn't exist. The current generation of big reds are the largest/best steel brakes ever put on a 911.
If you drive your car hard, ie track, you will be replacing all 4 rotors at some point, that's a fact.
Ceramics are a cure for a disease that didn't exist. The current generation of big reds are the largest/best steel brakes ever put on a 911.
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I have to call BS. I had the original steel rotors on my 996 thru multiple pad changes for over 7 years. Never changed a rotor, always measured within specs, work always performed at the dealership. As long as the rotor is within tolerance and not overtly damaged, there is no reason to replace - this is per the Porsche 996 service manual. This "recommendation" about changing rotors every pad change is BS.
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Talked to a friend that has been working as a tech for 6 years now. He went up to Atlanta for training. He was told that they did some updates on the PCCB's and have nothing to worry about it. He told me that heavy track use/ OverHeating caused the problems. "PORSCHE fixed the problems with the PCCB's...Got nothing to worry about it."
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If you can handle the cost I would recommend them in a heartbeat. I think it's silly for someone to say "their a waste of money", "spend that money elsewhere", etc. If that's how YOU feel fine, don't buy them. IMHO they weren't a waste of money to me.
Chris is probably right above: "A cure for a problem that doesn't exist", because the stock brakes are very good - had them in my 997S and they were great. I think these feel much better though, just like I think extra leather and CF in my interior is better than a car without - not that a stock interior is bad. See what I mean?
We all individualize these cars to our liking. I think the PCCB's are another example of doing that.
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Paid $19k for the Ceramics on my F430, the $9k for PCCB's is almost a bargain imo. As long as you don't need to replace a rotor the Ceramics actually cost LESS to maintain then the big reds because you don't need to change rotors w/ every (as Porsche recommends) or every other (say you only use 50% of the pads) pad change.
