Aston, Ferrari, Bentley & Lambo definitely do advertise!

Spending hundreds of millions of dollars supporting motorsport campaigns. Providing cars to appear in movies, rap videos, television shows & public appearances like auto shows and concours events. Invite only to private test drives, black tie events etc.. Low volume high exposure models like the Reventon, Enzo, FXX program. And providing press cars to be flogged... All of this is definitely marketing.

 

Guy didnt look like he knew how to drive that 911 to me. All the drifting??!!

Slowest way around the track. Nissan looked driven right IMHO

 

It's the car ffs not how it was driven. It's the most independent test yet and yet again people seem to say that the Turbo is poorly driven. The simple fact is the GT-R is the faster vehicle and Porsche will need to pull its finger out as they have some serious competition here!

 

Competition on the track? I agree. Competition on the lot? Not a chance. Wouldn't anyone rather have a Porsche (or an M6, SL55, V8 Vantage or other car in its class)? Or am I just being naive? With the Porsche you get all the performance you can handle on the street (and perhaps just a few tenths slower than the GT-R) and you get to look great doing it. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Any of us that can afford a 997TT could probably put our hands on a GT-R without too much sweat anyhow. And I would consider it too. But I never would have considered it before I got my Porsche. You have to move up the food chain before you can slum it.

 

I think you hit the nail on the head. The price difference is what makes this the VERY easy choice for most people even considering these two cars. Would I buy a GTR or a TT? The GTR simply because I cannot afford a TT and do not find it desirable.

I feel this is a very silly argument. This is a Porsche forum so the Porschephiles will obviously lean that way (and rightfully so). On the other hand the GTR would win this discussion on a GTR based forum.

They're simply different cars for different people. I love them both for what they are. I do look forward to running into a TT on a track once I get my hands on a GTR, it'll be a phenomenally fun race.

 

Racing is 90% about the driver anyway - not the car.

 

Which is why I said this yesterday

 

drifting is the SLOW way around

 

I am so sick of how people keep approaching the "GT-R" topic....I am not trying to be the great mediator but lets face facts:

1. Nissan has done us all a favor -- all the performance car makers will now need to up their game (or at least review it). How do any of us lose?

2. Nissan should be given credit for doing something pretty amazing. That doesn't mean Porsche, Audi, Corvette or anyone else hasn't already done some amazing things. Simply put - there is, and never, ever will be, one single absolute best car.

3. Stop comparing vehicles. The differences between buying a GT-R and a Turbo (for example) are so varied that it almost doesn't make sense. The guy who really wants the GT-R and the guy who really wants the Turbo just will not see eye-to-eye .... AND FOR GOOD REASON.

4. Lets not even get into the other performance car choices...Z06, R8, Gallardo, M3, blah blah. Lets not forget that you can make almost ANY car faster than ANY of these cars with time, money and effort. Comparisons start to seem silly after a while.

5. Useability. How many times are you taking your car to the track? If you are already, then you know very well what type(s) of car you like to drive there. Otherwise, half the crap that people go on and on about simply can't be experienced (in full form) on normal roads. In fact, cars that aren't as fast as others can often feel more engaging on normal roads where they are performing closer to their limits than these supercars. The back and forth in mind-numbing.

just my .02 as people say

P.S. (lets see if this comes back) I passed on the GT-R despite being very high on a waiting list. My current car is slower, doesnt handle as well, and will never win a side-by-side -- but, damn it, it feels great every single day I drive it and it always brings a smile to my face. How else do you "rate" a car?

 

100% right on. I beat faster cars because I can drive a little better than they can.

 

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/92...hanks-ben.html

Another write-up from the UK

 

Ferrari Enzo.

 

Is that an add for GT-R???

 

Barrister is right on. I went through the Bragg Smith dirving school outside of Vegas. We were driving track prepped Corevette ZO6's. Our instructor was driving a bone stock Camaro. He was lapping our *** with one hand on the steering wheel and the other on the CB radio while shifting. The funny part, when the master instructor took to the track, he was smoking our instructor without breaking a sweat.

It really is 90% driver and 10% car when comed to racing.

 

One more thing about driving:

0 to 80MPH or 0 to 130MPH runs takes much more skill than 60MPH to 130MPH runs. I know that a lot of people like to post 60 to 130 MPH times and that is great for depicting how well a car is tuned and less of the drivers ability to modulate the clutch from a start.
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