Pics & Review of My Bilstein PSS10 Lowered Red Turbo
#482
08-21-2013, 09:42 PM
Thank you! I think what I do have wrong, from the picture I posted, is my Drop link arms. They seem to be switched up, right? 
#483
08-22-2013, 11:04 AM
Check your PM's
Actually,
Taking a detailed look at my installation and BBI, there's actually some differences!
Which is very helpful to me, because I'm sure I'm the one that has it wrong.
You can see the differences.
Also, VID997, would you be able to give me information on who did your installation so I can maybe contact them tomorrow and ask them about mine?
Thank you very much!
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Taking a detailed look at my installation and BBI, there's actually some differences!
Which is very helpful to me, because I'm sure I'm the one that has it wrong
.You can see the differences.
Also, VID997, would you be able to give me information on who did your installation so I can maybe contact them tomorrow and ask them about mine?
Thank you very much!
#484
08-22-2013, 11:15 AM
The drop link has to be installed on the outside of the sway bar (towards the wheel). The rubber you see at the ends of my drop links are dust boots which seal out dirt and moisture from the heim joints.
cannga,
Thank you!
I still have some doubts because from Powderhound's pictures, his Drop Link is also installed outwards, towards the wheel. But his seems to be different, it seems to have rubber at the bottom connection, while mine is bearings?
I'm not sure if I got it wrong or if it's possible to get wrong, but I might give it a try to check what happens!
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Thank you!
I still have some doubts because from Powderhound's pictures, his Drop Link is also installed outwards, towards the wheel. But his seems to be different, it seems to have rubber at the bottom connection, while mine is bearings?
I'm not sure if I got it wrong or if it's possible to get wrong, but I might give it a try to check what happens!
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#485
08-22-2013, 11:17 AM
OK, I'll find out because of different setup.
Where did you buy the rubber protectors? I'd definitely want those! Lots of dirt here!
Where did you buy the rubber protectors? I'd definitely want those! Lots of dirt here!
#486
08-22-2013, 11:23 AM
With regards to drop link placement on the sway bar, in the end it all depends on what type of bars you have, exact suspension set up, alignment, ride height, etc, etc. Each case is different and that is the reason installations may vary. In the end, you need to make sure that everything has clearance through the full range of suspension motion and steering angles. One thing I did after the install is wrap the drop links and sway bar with blue painters tape and drive the car for a day or so. This is easy to do and will show you if you are rubbing on anything anywhere.
Last edited by pwdrhound; 08-22-2013 at 11:26 AM.
#489
08-23-2013, 04:56 PM
OK so I had my car on the lift today, and I've been talking to Joey at BBC Auto sport.
He's been very helpful and has cleared a lot of confusion for me through pictures.
It seems that these kind of suspensión is about playing with the Sway bar position a lot.
If it's too high, it will hit against the axle, happened to me.
If it's too low, it will hit against the lower Control arm, happened to me too.
Causing big clunk noises.
The springs are supposed to make certain noises like ''String'' noises, this is normal, and can be avoided with special bearings.
Right now I set my car like Joey told me, and I wrapped the sway bar, and axle in painter tape to see if it keeps hitting.
I would also like to mention that if anyone is thinking of getting a suspensión like this or motón, make sure you have a professional installer OR very very VERY good tech support.
I didn't have either one of them. We don't have shops for this here.
I'll keep everyone updated if things happen!
He's been very helpful and has cleared a lot of confusion for me through pictures.
It seems that these kind of suspensión is about playing with the Sway bar position a lot.
If it's too high, it will hit against the axle, happened to me.
If it's too low, it will hit against the lower Control arm, happened to me too.
Causing big clunk noises.
The springs are supposed to make certain noises like ''String'' noises, this is normal, and can be avoided with special bearings.
Right now I set my car like Joey told me, and I wrapped the sway bar, and axle in painter tape to see if it keeps hitting.
I would also like to mention that if anyone is thinking of getting a suspensión like this or motón, make sure you have a professional installer OR very very VERY good tech support.
I didn't have either one of them. We don't have shops for this here.
I'll keep everyone updated if things happen!
#490
08-24-2013, 09:55 AM
Warning about those who are considering Bilstein as an aftermarket replacement option:
As this thread is called the Bilstein PSS10 thread, I thought it might be wise again to post another warning about the flawed Bilstein B16 Damptronic system.
I've just had a second failure in 2 years and have reached my limit with Bilsteins flawed products.
Don't get me wrong - I was a fan originally, such that this is my second Porsche I have updated with Bilstein products. But I won't make that mistake again.
A year ago, just after a few months I had a wiring harness that shorted out, resulting in a damaged PASM unit that needed to be replaced, and the strut to be sent back... total cost 1200 for the PASM unit, service, shipping, etc. Yes - they offer a life time warranty but that doesn't help if the car is unusable for weeks while the shock is sent to them for verification, fixing, not to mention added duties when it come back over the border (Canada) and install costs.
Now it's a similar problem with my right front strut. I have already spen 500 in just diagnosing the problem - wanted to make absolutely sure it was the shock. My shop has verified that it is the wiring harness that's somehow spiking voltage and sporadically killing PASM.
Buyer beware!
Communication with them is slow and to be honest if they are not responsive to sending me a replacement first (let them know that I am open to leave them a deposit until they get my faulty shock in return) so that I can still have use of my car, before I send my to them, I'm going to rip the whole thing out and go with KW... and will make my opinion known where I can on line - just like I'm doing now.
As fellow enthusiasts, I hope I can spare some of you the grief I'm faced with now.
...hey Canaga - I blame you - after reading your well put together article I decided on the Bilstein system a few years back - I think I'm going to have to invoice you for damages :P
haha!
As this thread is called the Bilstein PSS10 thread, I thought it might be wise again to post another warning about the flawed Bilstein B16 Damptronic system.
I've just had a second failure in 2 years and have reached my limit with Bilsteins flawed products.
Don't get me wrong - I was a fan originally, such that this is my second Porsche I have updated with Bilstein products. But I won't make that mistake again.
A year ago, just after a few months I had a wiring harness that shorted out, resulting in a damaged PASM unit that needed to be replaced, and the strut to be sent back... total cost 1200 for the PASM unit, service, shipping, etc. Yes - they offer a life time warranty but that doesn't help if the car is unusable for weeks while the shock is sent to them for verification, fixing, not to mention added duties when it come back over the border (Canada) and install costs.
Now it's a similar problem with my right front strut. I have already spen 500 in just diagnosing the problem - wanted to make absolutely sure it was the shock. My shop has verified that it is the wiring harness that's somehow spiking voltage and sporadically killing PASM.
Buyer beware!
Communication with them is slow and to be honest if they are not responsive to sending me a replacement first (let them know that I am open to leave them a deposit until they get my faulty shock in return) so that I can still have use of my car, before I send my to them, I'm going to rip the whole thing out and go with KW... and will make my opinion known where I can on line - just like I'm doing now.
As fellow enthusiasts, I hope I can spare some of you the grief I'm faced with now.
...hey Canaga - I blame you - after reading your well put together article I decided on the Bilstein system a few years back - I think I'm going to have to invoice you for damages :P
haha!
Last edited by pureporsche; 08-24-2013 at 09:58 AM.
#491
08-24-2013, 01:03 PM
After reading your warning on Damptronics I discussed it with two techs I personally know that work for the two large dealers in the DFW area. Both have installed hundreds of these units and are very familiar with them. Both stated that the Bilsteins are extremely reliable and that they have seen very few failures. The biggest failure having to do with the cable mentioned above.
So, although you have had problems with your Damptronic system it would seem it is a very unusual event. Certainly not one to be concerned with.
This would be a good poll question.
Walt
So, although you have had problems with your Damptronic system it would seem it is a very unusual event. Certainly not one to be concerned with.
This would be a good poll question.
Walt
#492
08-24-2013, 04:48 PM
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Palos Verdes
Posts: 3,116
Rep Power: 254 
pureporsche, sorry about your problem and now you make me feel guilty. When Bilstein works, it is nearly indestructible (in my car 5 years of numerous springs change and alterations), but when that wire is damaged with installation or for whatever reason, it sure could be trouble.
You are rightly p'ed off at Bilstein, but complaining on my thread won't do you any good! You are still suffering, while Bilstein the huge financial evil empire won't even notice and has such a huge reputation that it's going to keep selling. Let's concentrate on getting your car moving and you happy. Personally I don't give a shiit how Bilstein does (I am all index'ed QQQ and SPDR for many years ha ha) and what happens to its reputation, just hoping to help you here. IMHO, you've had enough trouble, move on. Your next 3 choices:
1. Go back to stock (not a choice for me since I would immediately sell the car)
2. KW: outstanding shock, but I am still suspicious about their odd spring rates set up: soft front, very stiff rear that alters the behavior of the car and may cause diving with braking, etc. Damping force could be used but I don't believe this is the way to do it.
3. PSS10 - non electronic version of Bilstein, just like KW, except designed very similarly to Porsche OEM.
If you are really mad at Bilstein, take 2. If you are mad at Bilstein, but want to keep the car similar to a stock Porsche, take 3. The PSS10 has always been to me an extremely attractive alternative to its electronic Damptronic cousin. Hate Bilstein? Sure, you are entitled, but really for a street car, be smart, take the PSS10 (no electronic to screw up).
You are rightly p'ed off at Bilstein, but complaining on my thread won't do you any good! You are still suffering, while Bilstein the huge financial evil empire won't even notice and has such a huge reputation that it's going to keep selling. Let's concentrate on getting your car moving and you happy. Personally I don't give a shiit how Bilstein does (I am all index'ed QQQ and SPDR for many years ha ha) and what happens to its reputation, just hoping to help you here. IMHO, you've had enough trouble, move on. Your next 3 choices:
1. Go back to stock (not a choice for me since I would immediately sell the car)
2. KW: outstanding shock, but I am still suspicious about their odd spring rates set up: soft front, very stiff rear that alters the behavior of the car and may cause diving with braking, etc. Damping force could be used but I don't believe this is the way to do it.
3. PSS10 - non electronic version of Bilstein, just like KW, except designed very similarly to Porsche OEM.
If you are really mad at Bilstein, take 2. If you are mad at Bilstein, but want to keep the car similar to a stock Porsche, take 3. The PSS10 has always been to me an extremely attractive alternative to its electronic Damptronic cousin. Hate Bilstein? Sure, you are entitled, but really for a street car, be smart, take the PSS10 (no electronic to screw up).
Last edited by cannga; 08-24-2013 at 07:57 PM.
#493
08-24-2013, 05:39 PM
Hey Can, was just kidding with you - you're responsible for a wealth of info on this thread and many others. No worries - was just teasing you.
My option is give them another week, and then it's onto a way more reliable system and a bit more expensive too KW v3 w/ PASM.
Walt, I'd disagree and many more on this forum would too. When I had my first issue about a year ago, if I recall correctly there were around 10 folks on this board alone that chimed in at that time that had issues with Bilstein (this B16 model alone). Most said at that time I should just switch to KW. I wish I listened. Some had way more worse experiances than mine - end links breaking off. Bilstein eventually started to replace them (straight design to slightly bent design), and of course wiring problems.
Walt, just found the old thread: you may find it interesting how many folks had serious failures:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...tein-b16s.html
or better, do a google search
But Canaga is right - I don't want to hijack a fantastic thread. I just wanted to post a message so any one who is reading this, stops to do a bit more due diligence if they are thinking about buying Bilsteins system.
Canaga as for Q's and eMinis... you should be short bro
My option is give them another week, and then it's onto a way more reliable system and a bit more expensive too KW v3 w/ PASM.
Walt, just found the old thread: you may find it interesting how many folks had serious failures:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...tein-b16s.html
or better, do a google search
But Canaga is right - I don't want to hijack a fantastic thread. I just wanted to post a message so any one who is reading this, stops to do a bit more due diligence if they are thinking about buying Bilsteins system.
Canaga as for Q's and eMinis... you should be short bro
Last edited by pureporsche; 08-24-2013 at 06:04 PM.
#494
08-24-2013, 07:04 PM
PurePorshce,
Let's see what the 6-speed members are experiencing. I started a Bilstein Damptronics poll.
I certainly do not doubt there are problems here and there however I believe failures get thread time and those not experiencing them are not complaining.
I tend to believe my Porsche Tech buddies when they tell me there really is a very small failure rate. They would know.
Let's see what the poll come up with though.
Walt
Let's see what the 6-speed members are experiencing. I started a Bilstein Damptronics poll.
I certainly do not doubt there are problems here and there however I believe failures get thread time and those not experiencing them are not complaining.
I tend to believe my Porsche Tech buddies when they tell me there really is a very small failure rate. They would know.
Let's see what the poll come up with though.
Walt
#495
08-24-2013, 07:55 PM
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Palos Verdes
Posts: 3,116
Rep Power: 254 With regards to drop link placement on the sway bar, in the end it all depends on what type of bars you have, exact suspension set up, alignment, ride height, etc, etc. Each case is different and that is the reason installations may vary. In the end, you need to make sure that everything has clearance through the full range of suspension motion and steering angles. One thing I did after the install is wrap the drop links and sway bar with blue painters tape and drive the car for a day or so. This is easy to do and will show you if you are rubbing on anything anywhere.
Mario, in case you don't already know, Tarret also has different cone washer thicknesses for adjustment of the drop link (see pic below) to make the connection as perpendicular as possible, etc., and just in case, that might help with any clearance problem you have. Call them if you have any question at all - Ira (?) knows a lot and probably would have some great suggestions also.
