I'm still waiting to see a GT-R without tranny fluid change and tranny cooler complete more than 5-7 laps at full tilt with a fast driver. Even with those things they can barely make a whole session.

The Turbo is not a track car, but at least it can run at speed all day without pitting early or cool-down laps mid session.

 

i would hope any car with additional power and better suspension does pretty good..... unless we're talking mopeds

 

I understand what you are saying... but likewise I have seen many lambo superlegs go into limp mode after a few hot laps and many 430s breakdown at the track as well.... but they are all wonderful cars in their own right... the GTR does all this at far less initial outlay.... why do we lay into the GTR for its lack of reliability and yet say a ferrari has got character when it breaks down or a lambo cant shift into gear suddenly (as one of my friends LP640 did just last night) is still deemed acceptable?

As heavy chevy says about the only car that can really go at it all day long is a porsche.

 

The misinformation being thrown around on this board sometimes literally makes me laugh out loud.





and this:

landjet: From all I've read the PDK launch control can be abused and not affected. Same cannot be said of the GTR. Nissan won't even warranty it if you use it. That is just wrong.

 

You are correct. The current version of launch control has corrected the transmission issues previously seen.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I've long been saying Ferrari's and Lambo's are overrated. Lambo has even come close to a drivers cars in a long time with big pillowy soft AWD paddle shift cars. Maybe the SG and LP560 are a remedy of that, but prior to VW takeover they were rubbish.

Porsche is still the benchmark for track usage in the industry by far.

While the launch control fiasco has died down, there are still transmissions failing and people looking for reassurance with upgraded gear sets. Still overheating too. And still that lingering 20k transmission replacement bill.

There has been some improvement, but this is far from a track reliable car.

 

I understand what you're saying, too. I've also seen plenty of these cars run on track and they can all have issues. Yet, I can't say I've witnessed "many" 430s or Gallardos break down. I certainly haven't seen a modern stock Ferrari/Lamborghini/Porsche/etc at the track with a blown motor or other major problem. They all, for the most part, do what the manufacturers claim they will do. Of course, any car can break. Heck, two of my manual Porsches had clutch problems (fixed under warranty). No car is perfect.

However, I certainly can see any of these auto-manual gearboxes causing problems. They're complex and if they're not 100% healthy, track use is only going exacerbate the problem...i.e., limp modes, slipping clutches, break downs, etc.

I just don't think the GT-R can be called a world beater when the main part that makes it out-perform other cars - its super AWD system - has serious innate limitations. If the magic won't last past a few laps, then its not ready for prime time. I'm sure Porsche experimented with something similar to Nissan's system, but they probably found durability issues during testing.

 

This debate can and will go on forever..