tuskir we come from the same background ... SLK55. Mine was supercharger I forgot if you had done that as well. But these cars are completely different. The money spent on the porsche was money well spent in my opinion.

2nd as to ZR1s with launch control ... they are still only getting 3.4-3.5 0-60. A far cry from 2.9 or 3.0.

The "stock" ZR1s that were under 11 secs were either on drag tires (ranger) or the other 2 were with significantly low DA in the negatives as well as 55degree weather. And lets be honest ... Ranger and Furman are not anything close to normal. They are superhuman!

This car is a Supercar ... no ifs about it.

The 911 is not a supercar, IMO its the penultimate expression of a sports car and that being said if anything its a high quality GT car. The Carrera GT now that is what I consider a supercar. Most impromptu stop light battles don't give you time to setup the launch control, nor do you want to draw that kind of attention to yourself! On any given day its a drivers race, the Porsche being quicker and the ZR1 being faster.

The other thing no one is mentioning is that the ZR1 despite its immense traction disadvantage and being more difficult to drive finished one whole second a lap ahead on this technical track. On the big speed tracks that margin would be even larger.

you are way off. I agree that 120k for a vette is crazy when you look at it's build quality. But a turbo is very high build quality. When you compare the turbo to a gallardo or 430 you are just comparing looks, bling factor whatever you wanna call it. The turbo has supercar/exotic build quality, more technology and more reliability. It is also faster than either.

The turbo just ran 11 flat at 128 with not an experienced racer, just the CD/MT/RT dopes. The ZR1 ran 11.4 with the same guys. The times for the ZR1 that ran 10.79 was by some of the best racers in the country, Jamie Furman etc. Those guys can drive and set records with any car.

oh and by the way, if the turbo is no supercar, then neither is the gallardo, 430, or zr1. Although people much more knowledgeable than you or I do call them supercars. But if you want to get down to it, then supercar starts with CarreraGT, Zonda, CCXr etc.

Until a seasoned amatuer takes the Turbo to a track in ideal conditions as the ZR-1 was run in, that is not a direct comparison. The ZR-1 will have better pull in the mid range, but the Turbo will have significantly better launching and low end acceleration from simply being able to use the power better.

With launch control the Turbo will eat the ZR-1's lunch from a dig 9 times out of ten. In fact you'd better know what you're doing or you'll get waisted in the ZR-1 regardless.

The ultimate potential belongs to the ZR-1, but the ability to produce consistent results will go to the Turbo. And if you take 10 average drivers to the track and swap them back and forth between the Turbo and ZR-1 in head to head races, I'd be surprised if the ZR-1 won at all.

Is there a official ring time for the 997.2 tt pdk? Both cars are marvels in there own right, two completely different methods of creating production cars capable of runing with yesterdays supercars.

On the street on stock tires, I would go for 10 out of 10 vs a launch control launched PDK car from a dig. The PDK with no boost lost between shifts is just nasty! But a 6 speed car wouldn't have near the advantage except off the line.