New 911 Turbo S or Ferrari 458 Italia?
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I have an order for a 458 with June 2011 delivery promised but drove the Turbo PDK last week and was blown away. I can't afford both and I'm not sure I can wait for the Ferrari, and the Turbo S can be mine in September.
My current cars are LP640, Carrera C2S and S65AMG. One of these would have to go for the next car. The stealth and practicality of the Turbo really appeals.
Thanks for the responses. I'm still not sure what to do.
My current cars are LP640, Carrera C2S and S65AMG. One of these would have to go for the next car. The stealth and practicality of the Turbo really appeals.
Thanks for the responses. I'm still not sure what to do.
i'd think you will move up the ladder before june 2011. the air is pretty thin at the price they are chasing, add some options and the car could be $700k.
very few will want or have the cash to commit.
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I would not pick the 458 . Yes it is very pretty but that's as far it it goes.
1) The F1 can not compete with PDK efficiency
2) Porsche service is leaps above Ferrari in terms of how well the manufacturer writes repair instuctions for technicians . The Ferrari techs do not have the same ease .
3) Repair costs are not only ecessive but time concuming . In short if you don't mind hearing that the part is "on a boat from Italy" then Ferrari is for you.
4) Mileage depreciates a Ferrari like a falling rock .
5) The negative attention of parking a Ferrari only to come back to fingerprints all over the windows (at best) makes the car impractical .
6) Most Ferrrai's handle well but drive awfully (F1 sucks) . They sound great , and lo0k great but are terribly engineered .
Local dealership sells both and would love to sell me either car but every time I even mentioned a Ferrari when they considered my driving needs and customer service likes .. gave the advice to stick with Porsche. In fact there are many owners who jump to Ferrari only to come back to Porsche .
If the sole purpose if buying the car is to flash ones assets .. then by all means the Ferrari wins but if the overall experience is to have a great car that delivers terrific driving, at a reasonble cost, where the guys who fix it can get it accomplished in a timely matter .. then my feeling is you will miss Porsche after the novelty , and the look at me bling erodes and what you have left is a pretty car that has quirks or when you try to sell it and no one wants it --because the guys who can afford one woild rather have a new car rather than bargain shop the car you realized was not all that the fantasy illusion of Ferrrai measured up to.
1) The F1 can not compete with PDK efficiency
2) Porsche service is leaps above Ferrari in terms of how well the manufacturer writes repair instuctions for technicians . The Ferrari techs do not have the same ease .
3) Repair costs are not only ecessive but time concuming . In short if you don't mind hearing that the part is "on a boat from Italy" then Ferrari is for you.
4) Mileage depreciates a Ferrari like a falling rock .
5) The negative attention of parking a Ferrari only to come back to fingerprints all over the windows (at best) makes the car impractical .
6) Most Ferrrai's handle well but drive awfully (F1 sucks) . They sound great , and lo0k great but are terribly engineered .
Local dealership sells both and would love to sell me either car but every time I even mentioned a Ferrari when they considered my driving needs and customer service likes .. gave the advice to stick with Porsche. In fact there are many owners who jump to Ferrari only to come back to Porsche .
If the sole purpose if buying the car is to flash ones assets .. then by all means the Ferrari wins but if the overall experience is to have a great car that delivers terrific driving, at a reasonble cost, where the guys who fix it can get it accomplished in a timely matter .. then my feeling is you will miss Porsche after the novelty , and the look at me bling erodes and what you have left is a pretty car that has quirks or when you try to sell it and no one wants it --because the guys who can afford one woild rather have a new car rather than bargain shop the car you realized was not all that the fantasy illusion of Ferrrai measured up to.
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6) Most Ferrrai's handle well but drive awfully (F1 sucks) . They sound great , and lo0k great but are terribly engineered .
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I would not pick the 458 . Yes it is very pretty but that's as far it it goes.
1) The F1 can not compete with PDK efficiency
2) Porsche service is leaps above Ferrari in terms of how well the manufacturer writes repair instuctions for technicians . The Ferrari techs do not have the same ease .
3) Repair costs are not only ecessive but time concuming . In short if you don't mind hearing that the part is "on a boat from Italy" then Ferrari is for you.
4) Mileage depreciates a Ferrari like a falling rock .
5) The negative attention of parking a Ferrari only to come back to fingerprints all over the windows (at best) makes the car impractical .
6) Most Ferrrai's handle well but drive awfully (F1 sucks) . They sound great , and lo0k great but are terribly engineered .
Local dealership sells both and would love to sell me either car but every time I even mentioned a Ferrari when they considered my driving needs and customer service likes .. gave the advice to stick with Porsche. In fact there are many owners who jump to Ferrari only to come back to Porsche .
If the sole purpose if buying the car is to flash ones assets .. then by all means the Ferrari wins but if the overall experience is to have a great car that delivers terrific driving, at a reasonble cost, where the guys who fix it can get it accomplished in a timely matter .. then my feeling is you will miss Porsche after the novelty , and the look at me bling erodes and what you have left is a pretty car that has quirks or when you try to sell it and no one wants it --because the guys who can afford one woild rather have a new car rather than bargain shop the car you realized was not all that the fantasy illusion of Ferrrai measured up to.
1) The F1 can not compete with PDK efficiency
2) Porsche service is leaps above Ferrari in terms of how well the manufacturer writes repair instuctions for technicians . The Ferrari techs do not have the same ease .
3) Repair costs are not only ecessive but time concuming . In short if you don't mind hearing that the part is "on a boat from Italy" then Ferrari is for you.
4) Mileage depreciates a Ferrari like a falling rock .
5) The negative attention of parking a Ferrari only to come back to fingerprints all over the windows (at best) makes the car impractical .
6) Most Ferrrai's handle well but drive awfully (F1 sucks) . They sound great , and lo0k great but are terribly engineered .
Local dealership sells both and would love to sell me either car but every time I even mentioned a Ferrari when they considered my driving needs and customer service likes .. gave the advice to stick with Porsche. In fact there are many owners who jump to Ferrari only to come back to Porsche .
If the sole purpose if buying the car is to flash ones assets .. then by all means the Ferrari wins but if the overall experience is to have a great car that delivers terrific driving, at a reasonble cost, where the guys who fix it can get it accomplished in a timely matter .. then my feeling is you will miss Porsche after the novelty , and the look at me bling erodes and what you have left is a pretty car that has quirks or when you try to sell it and no one wants it --because the guys who can afford one woild rather have a new car rather than bargain shop the car you realized was not all that the fantasy illusion of Ferrrai measured up to.
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modern day Ferrari's are meant to be as reliable as any other car on the road. F430's require nothing more than annual service and fluid change.
does it cost more to service than other cars? sure. And a porsche costs more to service than a Ford. what's the issue? If you can afford the Ferrari i'm assuming you can afford to service it. if you can't then that's your problem. They also come with a warranty.
They depreciate just like any other car - probably less than others. I know several people who own one and they have no issues with service, the dealers knowing how to fix them, or waiting for parts.
does it cost more to service than other cars? sure. And a porsche costs more to service than a Ford. what's the issue? If you can afford the Ferrari i'm assuming you can afford to service it. if you can't then that's your problem. They also come with a warranty.
They depreciate just like any other car - probably less than others. I know several people who own one and they have no issues with service, the dealers knowing how to fix them, or waiting for parts.
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I didn't know the 458 would have it but the California does have it so I guess the dreaded F1 is now a thing of the past.
Although it was not my only point I do stand corrected . I am wondering if the DCT on the 458 is the same manufactuer (Getrag) who made the system for BMW .. because we already know that BMW faced its initial woes with it .. but at least BMW had the ability to get the repair instuctions as well as the parts into those affected cars.
Ferrari --in my opinion -- is more of a banana republic style of getting things fixed so if that new gearbox in the 458 has a hiccup then it may take some time to get that 300K thing running. Ask those who bought 360's how much fun they had when their (then) 200K car was the latest and greatest.
Even if the two cars were the same price --I woild not buy the Ferrari. Even if the Ferrari were 100K cheaper .. I would not buy it.
If I have no confidence the car .. even if it was given to me for free .. I would sell it.
Although it was not my only point I do stand corrected . I am wondering if the DCT on the 458 is the same manufactuer (Getrag) who made the system for BMW .. because we already know that BMW faced its initial woes with it .. but at least BMW had the ability to get the repair instuctions as well as the parts into those affected cars.
Ferrari --in my opinion -- is more of a banana republic style of getting things fixed so if that new gearbox in the 458 has a hiccup then it may take some time to get that 300K thing running. Ask those who bought 360's how much fun they had when their (then) 200K car was the latest and greatest.
Even if the two cars were the same price --I woild not buy the Ferrari. Even if the Ferrari were 100K cheaper .. I would not buy it.
If I have no confidence the car .. even if it was given to me for free .. I would sell it.
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[QUOTE][salesperson stated "those are all in the past". /QUOTE]
Did you expect him to say otherwise ? Do know how much he makes selling just one unit ? How many do you think he sells a year?
Did you expect him to say otherwise ? Do know how much he makes selling just one unit ? How many do you think he sells a year?
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totally different story from Ferrari dealer (AZ) one month ago. i brought up past reliability issues; salesperson stated "those are all in the past". F430 to present including 458 can be driven DD no problem" went on saying "service simplified involves minor services the first 4yrs @ about $1k with a major service done the 5th year for about $5k then starts all over again". F1 engineering has filtered into new cars and that the 458 is easily serviced. told him that i had a tt and have had no problems with car or service; his reply "any F430 or 458 will do the same, plus tt no match to 'aura or sound ' of ferrari. confused?
And, that Ferrari salesman thing is simply
HILARIOUS!!!!!"All in the past".....Peleeze!!! I mean how on earth would he know? For anyone to be so naive to believe anything comming out of a salesmans mouth...jeezus. I mean what are you expecting the guy to say? That Porsche is awsome and that Ferrari im trying to poke into you is not nearly as good. I mean hellooo....
Nothing to get confused about. If youve got the doh then sure buy the Ferrari but for anyone to suggest its going to prove better releability wise over the porsche is drawing a very long bow IMO. Ive heard that servicing a Fazz is horrendously expensive. Thats why most are garage queens and show and tell toys. Porker meanwhile is on the daily commute having fun
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Without even looking I guessed that if a new transmission was in a Ferrari that someone somewhere may have said something.
Then I found this --- http://blogs.automobilemag.com/65380...ion/index.html
BTW -- The Ferrari California was the first to get this . So I looked at Auto trader and saw 14 of them for sale .
ALL have less than 5K miles.
SIX have less than 1K miles.
Man that was quick .
Then I found this --- http://blogs.automobilemag.com/65380...ion/index.html
BTW -- The Ferrari California was the first to get this . So I looked at Auto trader and saw 14 of them for sale .
ALL have less than 5K miles.
SIX have less than 1K miles.
Man that was quick .
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Without even looking I guessed that if a new transmission was in a Ferrari that someone somewhere may have said something.
Then I found this --- http://blogs.automobilemag.com/65380...ion/index.html
Then I found this --- http://blogs.automobilemag.com/65380...ion/index.html
.....thats way way too funny
!unless your a Faz owner
.Maybe these Faz salesmansome can use the trannys as a paperweight on the salesdesk
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