Pour it in and report back.. I did with my Gt3 before i flashed it and had 0 codes.. if you check the AFR with Gas meter an E85 car will read 14's as well with no tuning..

Mike

 

ok im working up the courage to ask... lol would you use it in a stock evo?? or dare i ask how about a porsche?? and why wouldnt you ? simply because they are expensive? or because they are turbocharged?.. has anyone had the ***** to run it in a factory tuned turbo car? .... your generator cant adjust and our cars can... so isnt it safer to use in the cars than in the generator? ( obviously the generator costs less so the pucker factor isint as great )

 

I bet you'll get a cel-eventually. Maybe not right away because you will have regular gas remaining in the tank but after a few fill-ups your dash will light up like a beacon. There's a reason for the term FFV.

 

No i wouldnt because in order to make HP with the evo the boost must go up which means more fuel and the stock fuel system doesnt support more than another 40-50hp.. So we always add injectors and 1 walbro and thats good for about 180hp over stock.. The porsche Turbo i have not attempted to see how far stock injectors would go with dumping in E85 only.. We were going to try it with our 996tt but havent had a chance to play with it..

many cars mixing E85 makes more power if the car is rich from factory.. for example we did an RX8 with just a 20%-30% blend of ethanol and picked up 15hp by leaning it out with No tuning..

Mike

 

We had 0 gas in my car.. i pumped it all out.. even if there was 1 gallon left it would make it e80 at worst case.. I was driving on dyno untuned to mix the tiny bit in the lines..

 

wow so you used it in the gt3 without first tuning for the e85.. what *****!! and no cel.. thats amazing.. did you by any chance dyno the gt3 stock and then un tuned on e 85?? its making awesome power now on e 85 ..im not sure what a stock gt3 makes..

 

I believe you. Maybe the 997t wide-band sensor can accomodate but I think your really pushing the limits of the sensor, and it may just go into open loop--unsafe imo.

 

I was not running it WOT.. the car is not going to lean out at 3k rpm cruise no matter what car you have.. Its just not something i would do on a High compression already high strung motor like Gt3.. Would i fill up my Tahoe with it.. sure i would do it.. just drive it a little to adjust before beating the **** out of it..

the stock ecu makes adjustments for sure.. my 997.1 Gt3 was stuck at 395whp or so on E85 and once i took it out on highway for some runs and put some miles and went back on dyno 30 min later it made 400+ consistent..

Mike

 

Im not saying i would take a high end car and pour it in without mapping.. it is unsafe.. but for ****s and giggles in a tahoe sure i would try it.. Might give it a go on the next rental car.. LOL

Mike

 

Im a junkie for E85.. Even that E60 M5 you see in my signature.. Nitrous supply for Fuel was E85.. LOL

 

I would run e85 all the time if I had a station near me. It's a much cleaner burning fuel imo. And what I mean by cleaner is that ethanol if pure ethanol whereas gas is a petroleum distillate that contains a mixture of different hydrocarbons plus contaminants like sulfur that can wreck havoc on your motor. I'd run straight ethanol if it was available.

 

We get e99 down here it just didnt show much of a gain over e85 and the issue with 99-100% ethanol is you lose some of the lubricating properties of gas which isnt bad to have.. When we ran e99 we mixed it with a little lube like we use on Methanol cars.. It burns so clean even at 85%.. you can pull a motor apart after 10k miles and wipe the pistons clean with wet rag.. No nasty carbon buildup on pistons and valves..

Mike

 

Good point.

 

Great information, guys!

Luckily we have E85 all over the place in Minnesota, so I may need to retune for that.
Is 650whp achievable with Protomotive E85 tune, upgraded VTG turbos, exhaust, intercoolers and E85?

 

I am thinking mine is close to 600whp with Champion VTG(Gen1) turbos.
You will need to upgrade to 80lbs injectors at a minimum to reach 650whp.
I will be dynoing next week and post results.