Advice on tread depth 5/32 & 6/32
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Seller told me he measured them 8/32 even across all the tread and tires.
Even if we were to add 1/32 tread to them, it is still 6/32 instead of 8/32 (front), and 7/32 instead of 8/32 (rear). There is still not way 200 miles can take off 2/32 of tread from a tire (9/32 new).
And claiming they came off a 20009 Turbo: there is no way Porsche would put on tires DOT dated 2005/2006 on a 2009. It would mean they kept them at Stuttgart for 3 years in storage.
Even if we were to add 1/32 tread to them, it is still 6/32 instead of 8/32 (front), and 7/32 instead of 8/32 (rear). There is still not way 200 miles can take off 2/32 of tread from a tire (9/32 new).
And claiming they came off a 20009 Turbo: there is no way Porsche would put on tires DOT dated 2005/2006 on a 2009. It would mean they kept them at Stuttgart for 3 years in storage.
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The guy won't refund my money: he is now claiming that I am trying to take his new tires and send him my old tires
This seller/member: I 've looked at his posts: Basically, he joined a month ago and most of his posts are to sell parts.
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I just bought a set of new 21" wheels for my BMW X6 and they gave me new Dunlop Sport Maxx RFTs, two fronts from 2007 and two rears from 2006.....so, just saying that its possible but in reality it depends on how the seller really received these tires.... and how much did you pay for these tires and are you seeing the same tread depth on all 4 tires? you should post pics of all 4 tires...also, a little pressure up top on the gauge creates a world of difference, 7/32 can easily be read as 8/32 ......and did you inquire about the DOT before you bought these? and are all 4 DOTs in the 05 and 06?
I'm just saying that 200 miles of use cannot equal 2/32 of tread use. My original Bridgestones (with lower tread rating "140" vs 220 PS2) with 7,000 miles still has 6/32 tread in the front.
And yes, they all read 2005/2006 dates. Tread is even for the front (5-6/32) and rears (6/32-6.5/32), depending where you measure. None come close anywhere to 7 or 8/32.
Anyways, I am just pissed I got screwed and didn't do my due diligence.
Should have bought new instead of trusting the wrong person.
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I've received a PM from the seller.
At this time, it appears that a refund is being offered by the seller. If there is a dispute about the tread depth, it appears that photos are available as well.
Hopefully, something reasonable can be worked out here.
bob
I have fulfilled my part of the deal. I sold Michelin PS2 tires 235/19 and 305/19 to him for $1,000. I had replaced by rims and tires so had those rims and tires for sale. We had bought the 997 turbo with 3400 miles and the dealer had stated that the fronts were replaced about 1600 miles and the rears were replaced about 200 miles ago and that is what I had stated in my thread. Both the dealer and my husband had taken tread measurements prior to shipping the tires and they had both concluded about 8/32 life left on an average on all 4 tires.
I had stated in my thread that I have high resolution pictures available of the rims and tires for anyone who wants to verify the merchandise before purchasing so that they will know what they are getting. NW turbo never requested such pics and immediately disputed the transaction requesting for a refund as soon as he received the tires without communicating with me [ ]. I don't want to blame him but he is saying that the tread depth he noticed is 6/32 or 5/32 ...which I don't agree to as I had people I know tell me otherwise, people I trust.
Either way, I have offered him to refund his money less any shipping costs since he is not satisfied with the tires. I told him that I will refund the money once I get the tires back and make sure that that he is refunding the same tires that I had shipped to him. He has declined and wants the money back right away [ ]. If you want I can send the pics of the tires and the email transcripts for your review.
I had stated in my thread that I have high resolution pictures available of the rims and tires for anyone who wants to verify the merchandise before purchasing so that they will know what they are getting. NW turbo never requested such pics and immediately disputed the transaction requesting for a refund as soon as he received the tires without communicating with me [ ]. I don't want to blame him but he is saying that the tread depth he noticed is 6/32 or 5/32 ...which I don't agree to as I had people I know tell me otherwise, people I trust.
Either way, I have offered him to refund his money less any shipping costs since he is not satisfied with the tires. I told him that I will refund the money once I get the tires back and make sure that that he is refunding the same tires that I had shipped to him. He has declined and wants the money back right away [ ]. If you want I can send the pics of the tires and the email transcripts for your review.
Hopefully, something reasonable can be worked out here.
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After a few more communications, it appears that the issue surrounding the sale of these tires has to do specifically with the depth of the tread.
The original for sale post reports only usage based on miles. No pictures were posted, no specific quotes of tread depth.
During negotiations with NWTurbo, the 8/32 tread depth is mentioned. From the seller's PM, her representation of the tire depth was based was on a US penny. Her understanding was "if the entire top part of the Lincoln Memorial in covered its 8/32 and if the top is just touching its 6/32." She again stated the mileage and offered pictures. She also states that the dealer had measured the depth with a digital gauge and he gave us the same depth of 8/32, however, she did not document this with a photograph.
Because I can not verify the tread depth myself, I must rely upon both the seller and buyer - it appears that there is a discrepancy about the depth. I believe each individual believe they are correct...there is a possibility that the gauges used may not be calibrated correctly. However, at this point it is irrelevant.
The seller agreed to take the tires back after the initial discussion. She also expressed to me at this point, she still agrees to do so. The only stipulation would be 1) money refunded would be less the shipping charges and 2) the refund would only be made after the seller verifies the correct tires were shipped back.
Since this thread was made openly, then moderated, I would recommend that NWTurbo document, photograph and post the tires and have a open verbal agreement that those tires photographed are the ones in question. After which, those tires can be shipped back for the refund.
I understand NWTurbo's apprehension that if he sends the tires back, the seller could either refuse to accept the tires, or report that they were not the ones in question.
I also understand the seller's apprehension that if a refund is made, that NWTurbo could either not ship the tires or ship back different tires.
At the core of this matter is trust. After discussing this matter with both parties, they have been very very forthcoming, open to communication, and their stories have been consistent. I initially thought there may be some discrepancies about the tires or events...but after sorting through the details, I do believe both parties are trying to work a reasonable solution.
- bob
The original for sale post reports only usage based on miles. No pictures were posted, no specific quotes of tread depth.
During negotiations with NWTurbo, the 8/32 tread depth is mentioned. From the seller's PM, her representation of the tire depth was based was on a US penny. Her understanding was "if the entire top part of the Lincoln Memorial in covered its 8/32 and if the top is just touching its 6/32." She again stated the mileage and offered pictures. She also states that the dealer had measured the depth with a digital gauge and he gave us the same depth of 8/32, however, she did not document this with a photograph.
Because I can not verify the tread depth myself, I must rely upon both the seller and buyer - it appears that there is a discrepancy about the depth. I believe each individual believe they are correct...there is a possibility that the gauges used may not be calibrated correctly. However, at this point it is irrelevant.
The seller agreed to take the tires back after the initial discussion. She also expressed to me at this point, she still agrees to do so. The only stipulation would be 1) money refunded would be less the shipping charges and 2) the refund would only be made after the seller verifies the correct tires were shipped back.
Since this thread was made openly, then moderated, I would recommend that NWTurbo document, photograph and post the tires and have a open verbal agreement that those tires photographed are the ones in question. After which, those tires can be shipped back for the refund.
I understand NWTurbo's apprehension that if he sends the tires back, the seller could either refuse to accept the tires, or report that they were not the ones in question.
I also understand the seller's apprehension that if a refund is made, that NWTurbo could either not ship the tires or ship back different tires.
At the core of this matter is trust. After discussing this matter with both parties, they have been very very forthcoming, open to communication, and their stories have been consistent. I initially thought there may be some discrepancies about the tires or events...but after sorting through the details, I do believe both parties are trying to work a reasonable solution.
- bob
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