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Old Jun 3, 2011 | 10:32 PM
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Talking Latest Turbo S vs GTR track review. Let the yodeling begin..

Ok guys. After reading this today i thought things have needed a little spicing up on the 6 of late so here's a little something thats new and hot off the press in Aus .

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/t...602-1fhc0.html

PS. Naysayers. Please keep yodeling and excuses to tolerable levels thanks .

Mods. May pay to keep the mop and buckets handy....sorry .
 

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Sure they are close in acceleration and the Porsche is a bit faster but I had an easier time writing a $170K check for my Turbo S than I would if I had to write a $90K check for a Nissan. It's fast, but it's still a Nissan.
 
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Good read/video.
GT-R can't hide its weight but its DSG is very mod friendly with upgrades capable of handling 1000WHP/1000WTQ.

Tuners have yet to come up with power packages for PDK other them basic tune/exhaust.
 
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I don't know about you guys but by now the whole GTR issue is about as interesting as the Royal wedding to me. I'd rather discuss the quality of my dogs' bowel movements
 
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I don't know about you guys but by now the whole GTR issue is about as interesting as the Royal wedding to me. I'd rather discuss the quality of my dogs' bowel movements
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eclou, how are the dogs' bowel movements? Regular I hope.
 
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There is a garage here, run by Whiteknight. He is good at 997TTs.

Was there this week, and saw a GTR, which has a AMS engine/AMS turbo kit.....

Color: pearl white GTR. Was just next to a black 997 TT. Yes a white GTR next to a black 997TT.

GTR looks WIDER, BIGGER, LONGER, HIGHER, TALLLER compared to 997 TT.

Even if it is 2500 hp and much faster than a 997 TT, it does look ugly. Its like a modified Evo 10.

GTR's roof curves are weird, where the roof and side windows meet seem weird.

Interior is leather and plastic. The stereo *****, AC ***** are like Toyota *****.

Even if GTR beats 997TT at the track or straightline, does not matter. 997 TT has a sexier look, better interior quality, and its a Porsche.
 
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Another GT-R v 911 thread...

 

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Originally Posted by thebland
Sure they are close in acceleration and the Porsche is a bit faster but I had an easier time writing a $170K check for my Turbo S than I would if I had to write a $90K check for a Nissan. It's fast, but it's still a Nissan.
.....but lets not go there. The way these cars are priced in our neck of the woods the Nissan is looking more and more attractive....gulp.....i better get to work.

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Speed21

Good read/video.
GT-R can't hide its weight but its DSG is very mod friendly with upgrades capable of handling 1000WHP/1000WTQ.

Tuners have yet to come up with power packages for PDK other them basic tune/exhaust.
A lot of problems would be solved if it could shed some kilo's...but that costs real $. Re the auto box, didn't i hear somewhere that the nissan had issues as well? Anyways this is a stock to stock comparison so...credit should be given where its due.

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I don't know about you guys but by now the whole GTR issue is about as interesting as the Royal wedding to me. I'd rather discuss the quality of my dogs' bowel movements
C'mon eclou who you kiddin? Are you going for an oscar here..

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eclou, how are the dogs' bowel movements? Regular I hope.
My guess he's he's too busy checking out this latest TTS/GTR comparo....
I'd say the dogs 'd be lucky to get fed tonight

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There is a garage here, run by Whitekn
ight. He is good at 997TTs.

Was there this week, and saw a GTR, which has a AMS engine/AMS turbo kit.....

Color: pearl white GTR. Was just next to a black 997 TT. Yes a white GTR next to a black 997TT.

GTR looks WIDER, BIGGER, LONGER, HIGHER, TALLLER compared to 997 TT.

Even if it is 2500 hp and much faster than a 997 TT, it does look ugly. Its like a modified Evo 10.

GTR's roof curves are weird, where the roof and side windows meet seem weird.

Interior is leather and plastic. The stereo *****, AC ***** are like Toyota *****.

Even if GTR beats 997TT at the track or straightline, does not matter. 997 TT has a sexier look, better interior quality, and its a Porsche.
Well put Mert. I've heard it said frequently in the reviews P is the precision scalpel and the Nissan is a blunt instrument. Both effective in their own right.....just one does it with more style and panache than the other....so i guess there is some truth you get what you pay for even though it sure does have its premium$....especially here in Aus. Those $ quoted don't include the stamp duties and on roads either .

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Another GT-R v 911 thread...

Yeh bob don't you just love em. Admit it. Just think what life as a mere mod would be like on the forums without em. You guys would be scratchin to find a fire to put out . You'd be callin for redundancies ..

PS. Nice picard pic find. I reckon i might be able to use that one later too.. if you dont mind .
 

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I call B.S.! The GTR can't lose!!!

It was either
1) Driver error(Yes, even though both were autos with LC)
2) Lane selection
3) Maybe the GTR had more gas in the tank than the TTS
4) Maybe the GTR driver weighs more the TTS driver
5) GTR wasn't broken in yet
6) GTR was a mule car that was abused and running like crap
7) All of the above

 
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8) maybe because in the land down under, it kept going in circles instead of straight because there, it's the



 
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Congrats to Porsche! Although I'm not surprised considering they make exactly the same power but the GT-R weighs 330 lbs more. Stock to stock, the Turbo S has proven time and time again that it's faster in a straight line, just as the GT-R has proven time and time again that's it's faster around a road course (even on run-flats).

So yes, the 'drag car' title definitely belongs to the Porsche and the 'road-course' title to the Nissan. This is a huge win for Porsche!!

997 Turbo S GT-R (Mk II)

Nordschleife 7:41.23 7:24.22
Hockenheim Short 1:10.90 1:10.00
Sugo 1:37.75 1:34.65
SportAuto wet handling test 1:37.10 1:35.00
Nurburgring GP (3.7 km) 1:39.31 1:39.62
Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours Club 1:22.90 1:21.55

Max speed 320 kph 323 kph
0 - 100 kph 3.0 s 3.0 s
0 - 100 mph 6.3 s 7.4 s
0 - 200 kph 9.8 s 11.2 s
0 - 60 mph 2.6 s 2.9 s
0 - 40 kph 1.0 s 1.1 s
1/4 mile 10.7 s @ 128 mph 11.1 s
Power/weight ratio 330 bhp/tonne 301 bhp/tonne

Discipline 997 Turbo S GT-R (Mk II)
Track Performance 2 points 122 points
Straight line speed 432 points 395 points
Total 434 517

http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...gt-r_2011.html
 

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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Congrats to Porsche! Although I'm not surprised considering they make exactly the same power but the GT-R weighs 330 lbs more. Stock to stock, the Turbo S has proven time and time again that it's faster in a straight line, just as the GT-R has proven time and time again that's it's faster around a road course (even on run-flats).

So yes, the 'drag car' title definitely belongs to the Porsche and the 'road-course' title to the Nissan. This is a huge win for Porsche!!

997 Turbo S GT-R (Mk II)

Nordschleife 7:41.23 7:24.22
Hockenheim Short 1:10.90 1:10.00
Sugo 1:37.75 1:34.65
SportAuto wet handling test 1:37.10 1:35.00
Nurburgring GP (3.7 km) 1:39.31 1:39.62
Circuit de Nevers Magny-Cours Club 1:22.90 1:21.55

Max speed 320 kph 323 kph
0 - 100 kph 3.0 s 3.0 s
0 - 100 mph 6.3 s 7.4 s
0 - 200 kph 9.8 s 11.2 s
0 - 60 mph 2.6 s 2.9 s
0 - 40 kph 1.0 s 1.1 s
1/4 mile 10.7 s @ 128 mph 11.1 s
Power/weight ratio 330 bhp/tonne 301 bhp/tonne

Discipline 997 Turbo S GT-R (Mk II)
Track Performance 2 points 122 points
Straight line speed 432 points 395 points
Total 434 517

http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...gt-r_2011.html

Yea yea yea..

In a real head to head, same track, same time test the GTR can't beat the Turbo S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmL99lHyqc0
 
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Originally Posted by TXTurbo
Yea yea yea..

In a real head to head, same track, same time test the GTR can't beat the Turbo S.
Got it. None of the times that show the GT-R being faster count, since it's all one big conspiracy. If we include the fifth gear test, that makes the current road course score 5 wins for the GT-R to 2 wins for the Turbo S.

But hey, the Turbo S is faster in a straight-line...and that's really all that matters. Great job, Porsche!
 

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Yea yea yea..

In a real head to head, same track, same time test the GTR can't beat the Turbo S.

Got it. None of those other times are accurate since it doesn't suit your argument. It's a big conspiracy So I guess that makes the road course score 5 wins for the GT-R to 2 wins for the Turbo S, even though the GT-R weighs 330 lbs more and runs on run-flats.

But hey, the Turbo S is faster in a straight-line. That's all that matters
The other tests are bench racing.. Different tests on different days with the results skewed to show the GTR faster. Do you really think that the ring time of 7:41.23 for the S would be slower than the previous gen car?

Bottom line, same track, same day GTR can't beat the Turbo S.
 


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