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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 05:23 AM
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Video 997 turbo S vs LP560 vs GTR

Hi all hope you enjoy the video

turbo S with 2 passengers vs LP560 with exhaust and airintake and 600hp GTR
first race from 0 all using launch control except the gtr

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu9jBIB8Bjo
 
Old Aug 17, 2011 | 08:07 AM
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great videos! ...and well done on the camera angles & editing. thanks for posting
 
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600HP GT-R? It ran like a stock one.

I'll video my friend's P-600 GT-R with a 'true' 600 HP against my other friends stock 997 GT2 RS and you'll see what I mean.
 
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im not sure its 600hp or 540hp either its 600 on the engine or 540hp on the engine what he told me its modified by hks
and if your timing is 10.6 with the switzer gtr a normal 997 turbo pdk or turbo s make it less then 10.6
 
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Originally Posted by Oman911turbo
and if your timing is 10.6 with the switzer gtr a normal 997 turbo pdk or turbo s make it less then 10.6
Not sure where you got 10.6 from. My old GT-R with cat-back and tune ran 10.7 @ 130 on a certified dragstrip. No stock Turbo or Turbo 'S has done that yet. I'm pretty sure the fastest recorded time for a stock 997 Turbo 'S' to date is 10.8 @ 129 during a Car and Driver comparison test using a V-box, which doesn't average out the speed during the last 66' of a 1/4 run, thus giving higher mph readings than dragstrip timing equipment does. Regardless, it's still quite impressive for a stock car.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...turbo_s_page_6
 

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Old Aug 17, 2011 | 01:43 PM
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Why don't you ask for his current Switzer GTR times?
 
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It's amazing to watch the difference in performance from one tuned GTR to a different tuned GTR. I am pretty certain a bolt-on only SPI GTR would have walked away from both in the video.

Scott, I am in the process of hooking up a friendly race with your old car. I think we are meeting up Friday night - details are being worked out as we speak. We will see what a 889 rwhp 996 TT will do vs. a 824 awhp GTR. I am not expecting to win, but I think it will be very close. Vids to come..
 

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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Not sure where you got 10.6 from. My old GT-R with cat-back and tune ran 10.7 @ 130 on a certified dragstrip. No stock Turbo or Turbo 'S has done that yet. I'm pretty sure the fastest recorded time for a stock 997 Turbo 'S' to date is 10.8 @ 129 during a Car and Driver comparison test using a V-box, which doesn't average out the speed during the last 66' of a 1/4 run, thus giving higher mph readings than dragstrip timing equipment does. Regardless, it's still quite impressive for a stock car.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...turbo_s_page_6

what do you mean by it doesn't average out the speed during the last 66' of a 1/4 run. would you share more info plz
 
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Not sure where you got 10.6 from. My old GT-R with cat-back and tune ran 10.7 @ 130 on a certified dragstrip. No stock Turbo or Turbo 'S has done that yet. I'm pretty sure the fastest recorded time for a stock 997 Turbo 'S' to date is 10.8 @ 129 during a Car and Driver comparison test using a V-box, which doesn't average out the speed during the last 66' of a 1/4 run, thus giving higher mph readings than dragstrip timing equipment does. Regardless, it's still quite impressive for a stock car.
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...turbo_s_page_6
Check online so many races tuned and exhaust GTR with 600hp on the engine cant pass the stock 997turbo PDK espicailly at top end, so no chance with turbo S, we pushed with this GTR so many times with turboS he never had chance with the gtr first 2 races the gtr was very close but after like we tried more then 8 races the gtr began to be slower then previous races, we raced from many speed the higher the speed the more advantage for the turbo S , where I come from we race 0 till end or from 60KM to the max , 1/4mile i dont know too much about it my friend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh5HH...5C67170702DB68

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTDDz...eature=related
 
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Originally Posted by cayenne_ksa
what do you mean by it doesn't average out the speed during the last 66' of a 1/4 run. would you share more info plz
Sure.

In 1989, when pro racers were starting to hit 300 mph plus at the end of 1/4 mile dragstrips, an attempt was made by the NHRA to get them off the throttle 66 feet earlier and 'make' the cars appear slower. They did this by placing the speed measurement indicators at both the end point of the quarter mile and also at 66 feet before the end of 1/4 mile. So on a dragstrip, the trap speed/mph at the end of the run is an average of the last 66' of the run.

The P-box, V-box, Video V-box, Drift-box, etc..all give you the maximum speed achieved at the end of a 1/4 mile. Not the average. So, when magazines print trap speed runs from performance tests, unless they actually used a dragstrip (which is almost never), their trap speeds are a bit high, since they are never averaged out.

For those of us who own our own p-boxes, we can simply average out the last 66' of a 1/4 mile run and it will end up being almost exactly the same mph as you would see on a dragstrip.
 
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Originally Posted by Oman911turbo
Check online so many races tuned and exhaust GTR with 600hp on the engine cant pass the stock 997turbo PDK espicailly at top end, so no chance with turbo S, we pushed with this GTR so many times with turboS he never had chance with the gtr first 2 races the gtr was very close but after like we tried more then 8 races the gtr began to be slower then previous races, we raced from many speed the higher the speed the more advantage for the turbo S , where I come from we race 0 till end or from 60KM to the max , 1/4mile i dont know too much about it my friend
You're not understanding what I'm saying. A GT-R that has a 'true' 600HP will beat a stock Turbo S. The videos you are posting are of GT-Rs that are not making a 'true' 600 HP.

Below is a comparison graph between my old GT-R at a real 600 HP versus K-DDSL's stock 997TT PDK. His car took 10 seconds from 60-130 mph and mine took 7 seconds. A stock Turbo 'S' would fall right in-between these two cars.
 
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ON the wheels or on the engine ?
 
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ON the wheels or on the engine ?

Engine. Around 530 to the wheels.
 
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
You're not understanding what I'm saying. A GT-R that has a 'true' 600HP will beat a stock Turbo S. The videos you are posting are of GT-Rs that are not making a 'true' 600 HP.

Below is a comparison graph between my old GT-R at a real 600 HP versus K-DDSL's stock 997TT PDK. His car took 10 seconds from 60-130 mph and mine took 7 seconds. A stock Turbo 'S' would fall right in-between these two cars.
I wouldn't quite consider that the 997.2 60-130 benchmark as k_dssl's car produced those numbers at 115F. I've seen 2.5 second swings in 60-130 times in my own car going from 110 degree temps in the Mojave desert to 60 degree temps in LA on the same day (from mid 9s to 7 flat).

Not saying a stock S should take a 600hp GTR, but it would probably be closer than those 60-130s lead on. IIRC, R&T had the S 60-130 at 8.4 on a non-dedicated run.
 

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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Engine. Around 530 to the wheels.
the gtr has the hks kit, but dont forget the fuel grade in the US is far better then the rest of the world you can get 100AKI in the usa from gas pump i heard , so its true 600hp only in the usa here you if you bring your car must use racing fuel
 


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