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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 10:18 AM
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DME enough for PPI?

Is a DME enough for a PPI? Car I'm buying is out of state and apparently had it's 5 or 6 year service just last week. Car is a 2007 turbo with only 6k miles, so wondering what I should be worried about. Looking to get my hands on the service paperwork, but attached is the DME.

Very light light usage, and cosmetically clean. Curious what you guys think. Will be picking up next week.
 
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Old Jul 6, 2013 | 11:13 AM
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I just bought an 07 with 10k miles without a PPI. I saw the car and it was very obviously babied, so I just got the DME and called it good. I know people place a lot of weight on the PPI, and rightfully so, I'm just not one of them. I guess I'll know if that was a god choice when the car gets delivered.
 
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That car looks like its hardly been enjoyed based on the DME report. Very nice looking car, but very bare as far as options go. No SC, seats, or PCCB. If that's what you're looking for though, I can't imagine you can do any better than that car. The price seems fair to me as well,but it's so hard to tell because so many cars have different options, making comparison difficult IMO. Good luck, I look forward to hearing the end result.
 

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If you buy a car without a PPI, and the car arrives as advertised, you have nothing to worry about.

If you buy a car without a PPI, and the car arrives with a leaking crankcase, leaking turbos, chipped rotors, body panels repainted, coolant pipes unglued...you have no one to blame but yourself.

A DME scan can only tell you so much. Everything else is based on your trust of the seller.
 
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Originally Posted by bbywu
If you buy a car without a PPI, and the car arrives as advertised, you have nothing to worry about.

If you buy a car without a PPI, and the car arrives with a leaking crankcase, leaking turbos, chipped rotors, body panels repainted, coolant pipes unglued...you have no one to blame but yourself.

A DME scan can only tell you so much. Everything else is based on your trust of the seller.
I agree with Bob ^ and yes CPO cars have had the most issues as well. Do not count on PCNA/Porsche dealer or us to be able to help you.

PPI is a must with a written documentation of all the work performed.
 
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An inspection was done, but looking for the paperwork. Also, given the age of the car, the seller (car is on consignment) agreed to do the 40k service ($1200) with spark plug replacement. I was given records that this was all done, but I've requested the actual detailed record to see if anything was wrong.

I'm thinking it should be ok.
 
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Also, about the options, bummed about sport chrono, but its not a deal breaker for me. Likewise on adaptive seats, but those can always be added. Never had interest in the pccbs. Actually, the only mandatory was full leather and got that!
 
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Yeah, none of the options are a big deal as long as you're not wanting PCCB. The rest can be added or improved very easily.
 
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I bought my current 07 with only 3400 mikes, cpo, I just ran a dme and had the shop foreman look it over, always maintained at that shop, etc. dme showed zero errors, max rpm 5600, radio preset to easy listening, etc 82k. But that's not your typical deal, plus I'm local and could look at it myself, plus this is like p car #7 from this dealer, as bobby suggested, if you're not local a ppi is in order.
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The DME looks good. Id look the car over well before making the deal tho. I spent $225 on a PPI and Im glad I did....the DME was pretty good but I did t want to fly to Seattle from Austin w/o a qualified eye on it first. The PPI showed a minor oil leak and a boost leak...neither was a big deal and easily fixed but I used these present issues to negotiate. Now that all is right as rain Im very happy I had the PPI done.
 
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The guys. Wanted to clarify that the 40k service was just completed and there were no issues. Have to imagine the 40k, which costs about 1200, would be more thorough than a PPI and would have surfaced anything major. No?
 
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I think that is a pretty fair assumption....
 
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At LEAST meter the paint. And with the virtues of new technology this is very easily done. Have them run a paint meter on the car and video it while they do it and have them send you the video. No matter what the mileage it could have had repaint. That can affect the value, so buyer be informed.

Just hope you are also fully informed about the turbo SC. It is different than a regular 997. The SC on the turbo allows an overboost mode for a period of time providing considerable added torque and boost. It is not just a loud button, it has real performance implications. A car without it can be tough to sell. If you really want the adaptive seats, they could be added but that is a VERY expensive proposition that probably isn't worth the money.

Good luck in your search!
 

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