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Come on tell me the truth now... You are pals with Wolfhedge, LM and Sticky right?

How old are you again? Great replies by the way... to everything I have just analysed... I really can't wait to read your reply to Dzenno post above! Well that was the last time addressing you as well... So long...
I am going to install my new nos system now:

 

A recent 6speed post was just brought to our attention over email from someone not involved in this thread at all but it supports our findings and assessment of the 997.2 pdk platform potential a few posts above. I don't know why/how this was forgotten and the massive witch hunt this thread has turned into. Let's be car guys again!

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ml#post4223310

 

I agree and it's why I dislike the whole "3%" rule. I think it's just too high. It should be closer to level road to eliminate those people that seek out the best stretch of road that ends up not being realistic.

I think if these instruments are going to be used for "World records" and such, there should be tigher requirements for submission.

-Jose

 

Since thisis middle ground for everyone, and I know @pencilgeek knows how to do this, id like to see PG's response to this:

BTW costa's, who is friends with who is irrelevent. Me and prodigy did not start as friends, but as we are enthusiasts who not only vbox similar cars, we race them vs eachother, the 60-130s match and so do the results, as does dyno HP so naturall we became friends. What we did not do however is gang up and try to cheat any systems.

You cant say lets not talk about your M3 past, when now more than ever what i said then is true, your running faster 60-130 than ANY car has ever done with similar setup. your M3 was BS then as it is now, even the M3s making a real 150-200hp more ( 1 on nitrous, 2 at 16psi built motor) are not touching those times, how do you explain that? Oh, wait, i said it 2 ears ago, your A using a much faster car, or cheating the vbox system. Take your pick, either one fits what you are doing, and none of it is legitimate for what you claim.


Now you have another car which has been SHOWN to pull G forces not anywhere near possible.

Whether the forum admins recognize it or not, ALL of your results are invalidated in the eyes of the community. ESPECIALLY those that know how hard it is to improve 60-130s, as i KNOW DZ is aware as he and I ALSO chased after improving times.

well done madsex, you brought enthusiasts from multiple platforms together to call out a fraud

 

*****?

 

yeah yeah lets get some pictures of ***** to lighten up this thread.

 

Works like a charm, every time, no exceptions

 

First i never said that my tts has destroyed all cars in my country...there is a lot of cars faster but yes i am sure it is one of the fastest pdk...i am not interested at all to send you my 60-130 graph.i posted and will continue to post all my races...yes i am proud of my proto tune...if your "record numbers"makes you happy continue in the same way and enjoy

 

Even though I was trying very very hard NOT to direct you all these years (after all the threats and swearing and general behaviour towards me back when you were Stickys buddy (in lack of a more strong word) ) at many forums he owns but also under different accounts @M3post from which you were both banned, I will for only this once reply to you:
I was dead certain that you had something to do with prodigy's outrage and with wolfhedges attack (while you behaved in here quite good at the same time) as you now confirm... I do not see an entire community brought tgether to call out a fraud (a fraud that Dzenno definately has proven with his great posts above is most certainly attainable in this car)... I see 3000views in the thread and only 3 guys (2 of them are you and the other one misinformed by you obviously) attacking ME personally (like old times) and again bringing old grudges and insisting on childish arguments driven by sheer dislike/content/hate (I can not think of a better word) towards me personally!

Only members here who used to have M3's might remember your epic attacks not only towards me but towards Drew etc...

Anyway this is completely irrelevant to this PDK thread as I believe is your contribution to the thread since you do not own a 911 nor have you ever worked/vbox/driven a 997.2tt to come out as a specialist and give us your expert opinion on the matter!

I repeat whatever you say I will not reply to you again!

P.S. The story about me fiddling with the files at a software level is even more ridiculous than me running nitrous on a 997.2!!! Mike has the entire (start to finish period run (not only the 60-130mph part)) dbn file at his email and I welcome anyone to ask him if it is correct or not

 

Again you misunderstood... I did not want you to send ME the file... I was merely asking what the time was as I do know personally Todd and have worked with him in many many occassions in the past (I have paid top $) and I do know he is one of the best. Pls ask him!

I am very happy indeed with my times and Todd could perhaps hook me up with a similar performace tune but I thought to give Cobb a chance this time.

Thanks

 

Finding a flat road is really impossible. Even a drag strip is about a 1% grade (but usually uphill from my observations). So that's how hard it is to find a flat road.

In general, I agree with the 3% rule, but think there should be a limit on an intermediate slope. For example, you can travel slightly uphill on the beginning of a run, peak the hill around 80 MPH, then have a -9% slope for the rest of the run and still come out to a net 3% slope and a valid run. But that -9% during the fastest part of the run will play a large role. This example was taken from a real-life case, and I have passed that information along to others wishing to set a world record. It seems to work very well. But maybe, just maybe there should be a limit on the intermediate slope encountered during the run.

The software at www.vboxtools.com was written with this in mind. There are both maximum limits and intermediate limits on the the verification. These limits are all documented at the bottom of your results when you submit a file to vboxtools.com. But since nobody could really agree on what the intermediate limit should be (in fact, nobody even agreed with me that such a limit should even exist), I set it to -10% for 60-130's which is pretty liberal and effectively disables the feature.

I also came up with an idea to "flatten" the road and normalize the results to a flat road. I actually have this feature programmed in, but disabled on vboxtools.com and perfdb.com (it's available on perfdb.org). I came up with the idea to normalize the results, just so we could take slope out of the equation. I passed my calculations to my physics buddies, and they agreed I was doing it the right way. Maybe, somebody would want to start a site/master list only using normalized results.

 

A. He claims it SHOULD be capable but is guessing.
B. He has more mods than this car.

 

I think having the option to have the results "corrected" for a flat road would be a great feature and would certainly get more people asking for those results vs. uncorrected. Using the same algorithm for everyone sets a level playing field for everyone involved as even if the correction algorithm ends up being slightly off/imperfect from the physics standpoint it is applied for every run every time with no exceptions.

 

That is correct. It was merely pointed out in relation to the long post written up on the platform assessment and capabilities of getting to numbers posted here given everything else mentioned.

More mods doesn't equate faster times. Attention to detail and modifying with power goals and improving efficiency while reducing pumping losses and unsprung/rotating weight do mean faster times. Note there's no specific modification mentioned here. People also more often than not will mod their car with parts that don't necessarily improve overall performance.

 

It's true the files are not data encrypted. The DBN files do have a CRC to verify integrity, while the VBO files do not. The software at www.vboxtools.com will verify the CRC on DBN files. Since no such CRC exists on the VBO files, there is no CRC verification for them. You can tell which files a user submits because that is documented in the graphs generated where it says "File Type: DBN" etc. I can see from the graphs Costas has posted, he's always submitted DBN files.

If DBN files were hand crafted or manipulated, the user would need to regenerate the CRC for each line of the DBN file. The CRC used by racelogic is a bit of a ***** to figure out -- the DBN version is not defined as it's documented on their user forum for other devices. The DBN version is different that what they've documented. So anybody wanting to cheat would not only need to figure out the difference, but then figure out how to regenerate the CRC for each line of the file. Of course it can be done, but it's a lot of work.

I'm intentionally limiting my comments to the vbox device, file format, and explaining how vboxtools.com software is designed and operates. I hope this helps.