Wagner Tuning just released a new kit for the 997 and claim to have better performance than the OEM 997.2 Turbo/GT2RS. The GT2RS was already a great improvement over the stock 997.1 and beat many aftermarkets on performance/price ratio for basic upgrades till ~650hp. The WT is at the same price level of a OE GT2RS which puts now a dilemma for those that are on the market looking for it.

 

What does it look like ? Do they install as good as factory ?

 

I just purchased a set through SamboTT@bydesign. They have 2.5 inlet and outlets, which are bigger than the gt3rs! And, they come with their own hoses for about 1500 bucks! I will install soon, keep you updated!

 

German made:

 

FWIW, not German made, they produce all of their ic's in China, was discovered in Audi world 3-4 years ago.

 

Yes i think it is german engineered.

In Audis they were not that good, i have one in comparison with some us and the us ones are far better.

In a german forum there was a topic about them, where the conclusion was the 997gt2rs are still better.

gt2 ic are the same as normal turbo .1 so not big suprise that the wagner are better.

 

In PFF, ja? Got a link to that?

 

Same here:
2 Charge air coolers
4 Silicone hoses
4 Hose clamps



The Wagner Tuning Porsche 997 TT Intercooler Kit features:

High-performance 355mm x 220mm x 90mm, 7.029cm³ capacity (per cooler)
CAD / FEM optimized cast aluminum end tanks
Intercooler is mounted plug and play instead of the original radiator
63.5 mm (2.5") input and output
Black silicone tubing in flow-optimized design
CNC machined aluminum hose adapter and clamps included
100% Factory Replacement
OEM Mounting Points
Simple Installation

I check better their website and they have two kits:

● 997.1 Turbo from 2006-2008

● 997.2 Turbo 3.8l (which we all know that has the same ic's that is in the GT2RS)

Now the funny stuff is that both kits has the same core dimensions... So i think that WT is selling the same stuff.

The OEM 997.2 ic's is a good upgrade over the stock 997.1 and is cheap but a good upgrade over the stock 997.2 is twice the price of it.

 

The cores have always been very low quality, thick, large spacer tabulators that tend to heat soak. An Audi comparison http://www.myaudis4.com/intercooler-faceoff/

The euro forum mentioned likely noticed the heat soak factor, which is why they determined the 997.2 were better.

 

4 years ago i bought them a 335i ic which lowered and stabilized alot my ait's. Maybe it was due to bmw poor design and not WT top quality??? But WT must have some credits because i don't think that BMW put crap stuff into their cars, specially when they are known for making high performance engines.

I also looked awhile ago into the Audi 2.5 tfsi world and remember reading that forge is better than WT for the TTrs. I found odd because WT has several kits for it which is suppose to have r&d to support the newer kits and an improvement over the olders.

 

These were tested against 997 Gt2 which is the same as 997.1 and NOT the GT2 RS / 997.2. Big difference, Itguy nailed it.

 

Painted cores and worm gear clamps? I'm pretty sure you'll get "exactly" what you pay for.....

 

There's a big write up with dyno and data logged 60-130 times posted on this forum. I've read em, and they show great improvement over the gt2rs. Basically the same cooler with bigger inlet and outlets for better flow and they didn't heat soak as bad as the gt2rs recovering faster. You should discuss this with your tuner/ parts supplier. This is my last post, hope it helps! This is what I call," one of those endless debates". Good luck!

 

Honestly the N54 oem IC is utter crap, its a toy compared to even the cheapest ebay IC's.

This still seems like a decent upgrade for 997.1 cars, even if cores are similar to the (great) 997.2 IC's. Since they have alu end tanks and larger outlets/piping AND for similar $ as the oem 997.2/gt2rs/... IC's.

Prob not worth it for a 997.2 car though...

 

I looked at these for my 997.1. I think, just like the pictures show, they are an improvement over the 997.1/GT2.

The only post i could find about them was on the 996tt forum either here or Renn.

I went with the gt2rs coolers because they have lots of great data and i found a deal on a used set.