I have a Ruf Rturbo 550 conversion. I live in NY, let me know when someone around here gets a 997tt and I will race them to see what is what. I think the 997tt is going to be very impressive..........

 

I don't think the 997TT will beat the RUF550.

The 550 is a 10-11 sec car, and the 997TT a 12-13 sec car to 200 km/h.

But anything can happen!

 

Okay, are you saying that a Ruf 550 will do a 1/4 mile in 10 - 11 seconds?

(1) How fast will a Ruf 550 do a 1/4 mile?

(2) How fast will a Ruf 550 do 0 - 60?

(3) Do you disagree that the 997TT will do 1/4 mile in 11.6 or better and 0 - 60 in 3.4 or better?

(4) Have you seen anything other than factory specs on the 997TT?

Have you or anyone you know tested the 997TT to come out with a 12 - 13 second 200 km/h. If not, are you just going by factory specs. If going by factory specs, do you not agree that Porsches tend to do better than their factory specs?

 

Again, you should know better than comparing a real world Ruf time to a factory spec time of Porsche. Do you not think Porsche tends to be conservative on factory spec numbers. That is like saying the 996TT is slower to 60 than a 360 because Car and Driver got a 4.0 out of the 360 and the Porsche factory number is 4.1 for the 996TT.

I just asked for a 1/4 mile time for the Ruf.

Edit:

Okay, I found the Road and Track specs on the $ 217,000 Ruf with 520 hp and 546 ft lbs of torque. The Ruf did 0 - 60 in 3.8 seconds and 11.9 in the 1/4 mile. So the 997TT tiptronic would be .3 faster in the 1/4 mile assuming that the 997TT could only meet and not beat Porsche's manufacturing specs. Is it really $ 217k? If so, ouch for that performance and the 997TT at $ 130k seems like a bargain.

Would another 30 hp make up the .3 difference? Seems like you would need more than 30hp on same car with same gearing to improve .3 or more at this level. Surely, somebody out there has a time slip for that expensive Ruf 550.

BTW, would not this $ 217k Ruf with a reported 520 hp beat just a plain old 996 with a $ 20k engine upgrade?

http://www.weissach.net/996-997_RoadTestSummary.html

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?article_id=30

 

No, if you read my post again I think you will see that I wrote the RUF550 is a 10-11 second car to 200 km/h. Tested.

N.B. 0-200 km/h has nothing to do with the quarter mile.

The Porsche press release says "The (997TT) coupé reaches the 200 km/h mark in 12.8 seconds."

Can't remember I wrote anything else so please don't put words in my mount. Thank you.

 

Here are quarter mile results for the RUF R Turbo 590.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...read_carts.pdf

RUF R Turbo 590 11.5 secs. @ 126.5 mph

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=9

 

Wow and scott did an 11.6 at 126 with stage 2 and evo v flow

 

Haha, not putting words in your mouth. I thought we were talking 1/4 mile times and and the Porsche borchure they are sending via Fed Ex quotes 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile times so I do not udnerstand why the change to 0 - 200 unless that time is the easy pickings time to focus upon which to focus.


Three or four post before yours I asked:

I agree that the 997TT should not keep pace with the Ruf 550 if all other variables are the same. Does anyone have real world times for 0 - 60 and 1/4 on the Ruf 550 package?



No reason to be defensive. I was just asking for data and clarification as to what the times were being compared, where the times came from and was curious why the focus on the 0 - 200 with the brochure times being circulated by Porsche citing only a 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile time.

So it seems the Ruf beats the 997TT tiptronic to 200, but not the 1/4 mile. That seems a bit odd. Would that not mean the 997TT is taking about 1.2 second to go from approximately 120 to 125 if the trap speed on a 11.6 is 120.

 

 

Doug,

Thanks for taking the time to do the research! that's helpful indeed!

Just to put the "argument" in context-- and I don't mean to sound like a know-it-all, because i really don't! (know it all, that is! ,) here's where i'm coming from:

1) i started this post because i was debating whether to upgrade my all-stock 996 Turbo to Ruf 550 spec, OR sell the 996 and get a 997 Turbo;

2) i first asked about quarter mile times on the Ruf 550 because I know that many people on this board are more familiar with the 1/4 mile measure, hence it would be a quick and dirty way to compare the Ruf 550's performance with the 997 Turbo's performance.

However, while I couldn't find much info on Ruf 550 quarter mile timeslips, i DID find that Sport Auto test on the Ruf 520's 0-200 kmh time of 11.6. As I then had one independent, objective measure, I simply took that and compared it with Porsche's own quoted time of 12.2 seconds to 200 kmh for the 997 Turbo.

And so I like to think I was trying to be as "scientific" as possible (i.e., relying on objectively verified tests).

I agree with you that Porsche tend to be conservative in their claims. And ultimately, this entire discussion is like arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, until someone gets theri mitts on a 997 Turbo and times the sucker with some proper equipment.

Having said all that, all this just may be moot, as I had an epiphany last night, and think now the best thing to do would be to sell the 996 and go for a 997 GT3 instead!

 

These cars aren't quarter mile cars, it has been proven again and again. These cars are for screaming down the autobahn or a road race track. The gearing is not made to go as fast as you can for a quarter mile. If you want to test the true power of these cars go from 40 to 160 and then lets argue about who, what and where. That is where the power is. Put in a 4.11 or 4.56 rear end or whatever and then we can talk about 1/4 mile...............

 

I will say I was so disinterested in the 997TT until that little expensive present showed up in the form of a free brochure by dropped of by Fed Ex.

The performance numbers really sparked my interest. I may get one now. I dunno.

What about a GT2. That could be hoot with this power and in stripped down 2WD drive configuration.

 

I cannot scream down the atuobahn. I can scream red light to red light much easier. If I buy the 997TT, I guess I would urge that the 1/4 mile time is the better time to judge for my driving. If I bought a Ruf, perhaps I would do so thinking the 40 to 160 is the optimal test of a true sports car.

What does the true Ruf costs? Is it really in the $ 217,000 range. If so, I think I would get the 997TT and buy a beater 355 spider for the sunny days.

 

[quote=Doug H]I will say I was so disinterested in the 997TT until that little expensive present showed up in the form of a free brochure by dropped of by Fed Ex.quote]

Yes, I must admit that when I saw the FEDEX package I was impressed. Even after three Porsche's in the stable, I was still impressed.

 

its funny, all of us were up in arms not long ago, complaining about how Porsche have lost the plot by putting out a new turbo with less than 500HP, in a market where M-cars, Lambos and others are hitting that magic mark.

Looks like we all had too little faith in the Weissach boys. Looks like they've moved the goalposts yet again with this car. Can't wait for the first official independent tests and comparisions vs the F430, Gallardo SE, M6, etc...

...and even more for the Turbo S and GT2!