The Metzger 997 turbo engine will prove over time to be the best, and too expensive for a company to replicate in mass production. My mechanic friends say the internals are maybe 30% stronger working parts compared to the newer turbos. It is a race proven gt1 block. The rest of the car is awesome too. There are only a few years of these, and over time the educated Porsche market will see it. The values, in particular MT, will go up accordingly. Hang on to your 997 turbo.

 

I couldn't agree more.

I did a lot of research before getting my 911. I had driven various models when I was a kid in the 70's, 80's & 90's (T through SC models, 74 through 94 years), so I knew a little about some of the tech over the years, but my reading before this purchase was quite informative. While I did not know about the clutch slave before getting the 997.1, I did know about the other items to address. Even with all of that, based on what I read, this platform was THE platform from Porsche for the 911.

I keep my cars forever (350K on an Audi CQ, 250K on an Audi S6 and others) so I do not buy a car to turn it over for something else in a year or two. That meant my decision was even more impactful.

For me it was the combination of interior, performance and handling as well as the connection to the driver. My new S6 did not offer a stick, just the dual clutch auto - which is a disconcerting trend - , and while it is fun to drive, there is nothing like shifting gears with a clutch. After working on the engine myself and seeing the robust components (at least through the valve train) also impressed me. Though I must say the cooling spaghetti works is quite complicated, but I am sure correct in some German engineers mind.

My 997 will be in my garage until either I or it are dust.

Ed

 

All true!

 

No doubt the engine of the 997.1 turbos is solid, but this is obviously, speculation.

The cars have been out for 12 years_ now - they seem to be holding value pretty decently. As time goes, low-mileage, unmolested samples, will probably appreciate some, but, I can't see them appreciating the way the 993 turbos have...and their motors are nothing to brag about.

There are a lot more variables when dealing with appreciation and value.

 

Each segment of Porsche models ends up being in a bracket. A set of years when only that model was produced. On both sides of that bracket, are other brackets of Porsche cars, in our case some version of 911s. As the market experiences different brackets, people learn about them. Power, issues, exhaust notes, potential, reliability, power potential, looks, etc. Each owner of a model within a bracket learns more deeply about their specific car. I know 930, and 996 owners who want 997.1 cars, 997.2 owners who want them, and 991 owners who want the 997.1 driving feel and engine. I am sure there are examples that go other directions too. Yes, it is speculation until it happens. Look at the msrp of the GT, and their value now! A unique car for sure. The 997.1 won't likely appreciate in value $ that much...but it will go up more $ from where it is now, for the right color, set up, condition, miles, etc. Wait till someone figures out how to modify a tip tronic transmission to more closely perform like a pdk. I suspect there is someone like Ed who will be working on figuring that stuff out. Anyway, happy holidays all!

 

Mezger or go home I say :-)

 

I expect them to stay at $70k for mid mileage cars, and $100k for under 15k mile cars for a long time. Significant appreciation not expected unless selling inventory drastically drops from 20 cars to 10 at a time for manual 997tt

 

I sure the values go up high but I doubt that they will ever sell for their original MSRP prices. I have one parked away and will see what the future holds.

 

The potential $ value isn't about current market analysis, how many tips vs manuals, miles, etc. Those work for today and next week. I am talking three years plus! There will be a different valuing as the bracket of 997s is viewed in the larger context of 911s. Electric cars and way over techno turbos is the reality going forward. There will come a point where people will want the real, raw, analog, serious sound, authentic turbos. Porsche can't help itself "advance" with its new cars...there is no going back. This is why Carrara GT that sold for $250k once upon a time, then $450k 3 years ago, are now upwards of $700k.... Look at the brackets of 911s..... I am not putting down the cars made post 997....but they are really different driving experiences. People are going to miss and want what 997s are! I drove a 2018 Porsche last year. There is so much environmental, emissions, fuel efficiency, stuff now....and the sound is so bad! Same thing has gotten into F1 racing. The newer cars sound terrible. People want to hear, drive, and feel the raw V10, or in our case the Metzger gt1 block turbo without all the happy crap new technology. Okay, I am wrong....let Cargurus establish your 997 values based on their algorithms. Value your 997 the same way they value suvs, trucks, and all the other cars? Not! My point here, is to encourage 997 turbo owners to take pause....you have something special and it's value, it's real value, hasn't been seen yet because the bracket "markets" are still evolving.

 

Mezger!!!

 

Your analogy is flawed. You cannot compare a Carrera GTs value as only 1,270 units were made vs the 31,900 units produced for the 997 Turbo.

A 997 Turbo cannot be compared to a Carrera GT and the GTs rise in value. The 997 Turbo simply will not appreciate in this manner.

Sorry, wishful thinking. And I own a 997.1 Turbo.

 

I don’t see values going through the roof any time soon... but I can definitely see a small yearly appreciation for an equal mileage MT coupe, year over year. The truth is, people drive these. As that continues, lower mileage cars will become rarer and rarer. In 10 years time, you may consider super low mileage on these anything under 60k. My hope us that the car maintains its value as I drive it. It’s nice to feel that your cost of ownership really is just maintenance, insurance and gas.

 

Do you think though the fact that they do not make turbos in manual transmission after the 997 could cause them to appreciate? Won’t there be collectors down the road that want a turbo in manual and the newest model they can buy will be a 997. I think this could cause them to appreciate. Not like a 993 however.

 

Being the last air cooled engine, helped the 993 appreciate over time....but it took time too, for people to see that bracket in the context of what followed. It was also a great looking and driving car. Yes, the MT 997 turbos, with the best and last iteration of the Metzger gt1 block are unique, also a great looking and driving car. It will have its distinction valued more...but again, over enough time so that the whole bracket of 997s is seen in the larger context, of the 911 line. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I am going to be keeping my 997.1 turbo.

 

who cares about future value. They are amazing cars, and Porsche won't make them again. Life is short, enjoy them while you can, you never know what tomorrow brings. I bought an '07 TT for myself, not for the next guy, not to make a profit. Next year I will pick up 997 GT3 or GT3RS, but TT ain't going no where