Originally Posted by docjackson1

i agree. i have been offered several cars by dealers for 10k over msrp, almost always due to "buyers who put 300 miles on their cars, but now want to sell them". these are speculators, you have to be nuts to buy from them. the same with the dealers with market adjustments. be patient-there are plenty of 6 month lists. put your $1000 down, get on a list, and get your cars. don't throw away your hard earned money.