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zO6 vs Viper vs F430 vs GT vs Gallardo vs 911TT

Many measurements, 911 (with sport chrono)didn't do very well.

Lap Times
F430 1:17.4
Gallardo 1:17.8
ZO6/Viper 1:19.5
Ford GT 1:19.8
911 TT 1.20.0

911 was at the bottom of almost all the measurements except braking. Guess the TT S needs to show up soon.

 

That's not very good...I thought it would be faster than a Z06!
I'd really like to see what Evo mag is going to do after August...maybe a new test of the P against rivals...
In the race track used by Evo, Bedford, the G was a little faster than TT.

 

cmon 0 a 100 mph in 9.5... are u sure they tested a 997TT? or a 996TT?

 

Was the same car Quatroruote Magazine Italy tested with most probably a burnd clutch.
Car was tested in Italy in collaboration with this magazine.

Some comments from the RT magazine :
http://www.roadandtrack.com/idealbb/...?topicID=12968

 

First test apart from the italian one where the 430 beats the tt on the track.

 

The 997s beats it to 60, and the 997c4s ties it. What?????
Something is wrong!!!!

 

Well to play devils advocate, the performance of these cars will vary based upon weather, altitude, and fuel used. When you say the TT was running at 996 speeds or 997S, etc., you are comparing tests done at other times, at other sites, etc.

At face vaule these cars were compared as listed. Like it or not. Besides the TT weighs much more than the 430 and has about the same hp. Why is it a surprise that the 430 might do better.

Also , is the TT really designed to beat the 430. The TT in my opinion was designed to run with the 430, be still be practical, ie a grocery getter, commuter, etc.

 

I tested my 997TT 0-100 and the best I could get in my conditions was 9.8 sec. After some engine upgrades, it is at 8.9 sec.

 

Todd,
Given that you guys are trying to work out the mods in 90 degree heat. What do you see when the cars are dyno'd in the cold. In other words are improvements consistant regardless of temp, percentage wise, or do you find that some modificatiosn are environment specific? How much if at all do you test at different atmospheric qualities??

I am inclined to believe that the RT test tells a specific result at that point and time. I suspect that the same cars run say at sea level at 40-50 F might return faster times, but the overall order would be the same. What do you think?

 

I would not get too worried about the times recorded.Evry magazine over here that has tested the 997tt against the 430 and gallardo has said it pulls quite quickly away from both on the road.

 

You bring up a good point. Fortunately for us, we have a very diverse climate and can change conditions within a 1-4 hour drive. Our location is ideal because we can have all bases covered except for the EXTREME sub zero degree conditions. This is partially why we have so many OE proving grounds here in AZ. My colleague Mike, use to work for the VW proving grounds and was driving Cayenne’s before we knew what a Cayenne was. 45 minutes from where I live, I can be at 5000 Ft. elevations to test some higher altitude conditions. In the winter months, I can be in be in sub freezing temperatures testing the cold weather affects in less than 2 hours. In about 4 hour drive; I can be at the coast testing zero altitude humid conditions. We will hit all of these parameters to ensure that the upgrades will be safe.

When we do our comparison real world driving tests: 0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile etc, we will perform the tests in the same conditions in order to ensure the comparison tests are accurate. I am not concerned with what the magazines test numbers are as they can be affected by different conditions. I am concerned with what 1 car with 1 driver can achieve in 1 specific test area under like conditions. These tests are subjective like all tests but if performed properly, can provide useful information. Dyno testing has the same inconstancies as well. Dynos read different and numbers can be somewhat inconsistent and will always vary dyno to dyno, car-to-car and location-to-location. We are not so focused as what the "numbers" are but more concerned providing accurate and well-tested real world information that shows the difference between modifications.

 

R&T got 3.9(0 to 60) for their 997s in their review last year.
In 8/06 they reviewed the 997c4s and got 4.1(0 to 60).
I would say those a pretty consistant times considering the 4s is a heavier and should be mildly slower. I just think that tt time is slower than it should be. That being said, don't you wish f430s were $135,000.

 

I'd buy a f430 at msrp, if I could get one at MSRP, and I also want to then put 10K miles a year on it and keep it running for 5-7 yrs for $2k/yr or less on repairs/maintenance.
Not a possibility, didn't think so. That's why I ordered a TT.

 

Thats crap. The ford gt is on street tires while the italian cars are on race tires. I guarantee the ford gt will smack a 430 or gallardo on the track.