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Old Jan 28, 2007 | 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MiniDHinkle
You dont need ceramics unless your going to be at a track or doing alot of track days. What are you going to be doing with ceramics on the street, late breaking into Target's parking lot? What i am saying is it is a waist of money to have cermaics if you are just going to drive it on the street.
Or late braking to stop in time for the accident thats happening in front of you? There is no such thing as stopping too fast (unless, of course, the [generic car] behind you runs into your backend)...

P.S. Everyone seems so happy that it saves unsprung weight... this is also rotating weight... even better
 
Old Jan 28, 2007 | 08:39 PM
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Why are ceramic brakes painted yellow? Do all car manufacturers use yellow?

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Is it about need?

Do you really need a car that will do 190 to get home from Target? It's not about need, it's about want. And I want to drive a car that has the most sophisticatedbrakes available. Reduced fade, lower unsprung weight, lower rotational mass, incredible feel, no dust, favorite color yellow, everybody who opted for them has their reasons. In terms of realizing the ultimate potential of the car, I'm sure I will approach the limits of braking much more frequenty than its top end.

Opting for the PCCB's may be a waste of money in your book just as I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands of people in our world who would say buying a car for +$100K is a total waste. Opinions, that's what makes this world so darn interesting.

I'm glad I got 'em.
 
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Why are ceramic brakes painted yellow? Do all car manufacturers use yellow?

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Dont know why Porsche opts to use the yellow for ceramics, but Ferrari uses Red and black eveni believe on the 360CS's, F430 ive seen red too!
 
Old Jan 28, 2007 | 09:00 PM
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Dont know why Porsche opts to use the yellow for ceramics, but Ferrari uses Red and black eveni believe on the 360CS's, F430 ive seen red too!
Martin thanks for your help. This is now 2 times you helped me with ceramic questions..

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I think the "color" of the ceramics has a lot to do with marketing. Ask yourself this: If the ceramics were the same color as the steelies what effect would it have on sales? So for some (albeit few), the "yellow" has a bit of prestige associated with it. It identifies the option and the fact that you have a car with one of the best brakes in the world! Don't get me wrong, the ceramics are worth it if you can afford them and feel the benefits outweight the costs but I can't help but feel that the color plays into Porsches smart marketing somehow?
 
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If I did it over again, I'd order PCCB. Considering the car is $100K ($130K+ for TT), a $9K upgrade that is actually useful isn't that much. I had $3K wheels and $3K brakes on my Evo - same margin and I didn't feel bad about spending that. The reason I skipped them was twofold - I bought it off the lot and then I heard that it was tough on resale since people were scared of the replacement costs for PCCB components.
 
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I think the replacement costs on these have come way down considering you can buy the entire set up for 13k now. I would think a single disk would be in the 2-3k range now.
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Originally Posted by gradyex
I think the "color" of the ceramics has a lot to do with marketing. Ask yourself this: If the ceramics were the same color as the steelies what effect would it have on sales? So for some (albeit few), the "yellow" has a bit of prestige associated with it. It identifies the option and the fact that you have a car with one of the best brakes in the world! Don't get me wrong, the ceramics are worth it if you can afford them and feel the benefits outweight the costs but I can't help but feel that the color plays into Porsches smart marketing somehow?
Agreed, and it is smart marketing too. I would still get the PCCBs if they were red but I like the fact that they are yellow to distinguish them from the steel rotors because the PCCBs do have a bit of prestige to them. No brake dust and less unsprung weight is a bonus to performance though I doubt that I will get enough experience the weight part. I would need to drive two cars on a track back to back for that. BTW, the "no brake dust" issue does not seem to hold up for track days.
 
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Originally Posted by gradyex
Don't get me wrong, the ceramics are worth it if you can afford them and feel the benefits outweight the costs but I can't help but feel that the color plays into Porsches smart marketing somehow?
Ha ha. Guilty. I gotta be honest, I really like the way the yellow brakes look against Cobalt and that was a factor in my thinking-- not the only factor, of course, but a factor.

I'm not so sure about the bling/bragging factor because 99.9% of people on the road won't know the 997TT is new versus 5 years old, let alone know that yellow means you dropped another $8K on brakes (and if they did, I'm sure they would think you were an idiot since their whole car is worth $8K).


I do plan on tracking my car, so I have some "legit" justification I guess, but for me (and I suspect others), the real deciding factor was simply the gadget/cool/why-not-treat-myself-with-the-best factor.
 
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Originally Posted by Chris from Cali
If I did it over again, I'd order PCCB. Considering the car is $100K ($130K+ for TT), a $9K upgrade that is actually useful isn't that much. I had $3K wheels and $3K brakes on my Evo - same margin and I didn't feel bad about spending that. The reason I skipped them was twofold - I bought it off the lot and then I heard that it was tough on resale since people were scared of the replacement costs for PCCB components.
I have read in three of the UK forums, that a high percentage of tt owners have removed the ceramics, installed steel rotors, so they can save ceramics for re-install when they trade the tt in the future.
 
Old Jan 29, 2007 | 09:18 PM
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Well, like Keller said, prices have come down. I haven't checked on prices for 2-piece replacement steel rotors, so I don't have an apples-apples comparison. If new 2-piece rotors, lines, pads, etc. add up to more than $5K or so, I'll pop for the PCCBs. While I may not ever need super high HP, I definitely use every bit of my braking capacity.
 
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Originally Posted by johnww
I have read in three of the UK forums, that a high percentage of tt owners have removed the ceramics, installed steel rotors, so they can save ceramics for re-install when they trade the tt in the future.
Interesting. I heard from my dealer that PCCBs were one of the options that really don't hold their value well versus the cost of the option. Though, it is not the first time a dealer would be wrong, but I would not think they would miss an upsell opportunity, they are a dealer after all...
 
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