Just to let you guy's know.Spring for the PCCB brakes.I have owned alot of German cars.My 997TT does'nt have any brake dust.I wash the car 3 times less.The wells are spotless as are the rims.This has been a added bonus.The detailer I have comes once a week.I skip the TT to every other week and may skip it this week.It ain't dirty

Jeff

 

lol I know what you mean. Love it!

 

That is a HUGE bonus of the PCCBs.

 

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especially on my White wheels...

Alan

 

$11,400 dollars in the UK for PCCB. That would pay for a lot of detailers time?
I never track car and quite enjoy getting my hands dirty on a Sunday, all part of ownership to me! Dont get me wrong, no brake dust would be great but I just felt Porsche were shafting the buyers with this price.IMO

 

I agree....The brake dust really was no factor in my not choosing the PCCB $8.5 option for '07. Like washing the car anyway and keeping the wheels clean is part of the fun-project, surely not worth that kind of cash!! It was the negative reports. a. Not so good braking at first in mornings until brakes heat up, b. the ease in breaking the discs when changing a tire or a carelessly thrown small stone (disc are $5K/disc), c. the lack in an increase in the "same stopping" distance as with steel discs, d. the lack of warranty backup with the earlier discs from Porsche. I think this business with liking the ceramics is a case of misery likes company(imo). How I would hate to be unsure of my brakes in early morning cold weather. Some even say when the tt is washed, be careful with braking for a while. Admittingly they last rediculously longer, who cares, they have less unsprung weiight, got that with HRE rims at half the price and looks are better too with rim option. When Porsche states that the ceramics brake at shorter distances than steel, then and only then will they be worth the outlandish price of $8.5K. When I got my new tt, I wanted the best brakes for shortest stopping distance and out of 5-dealerships in the US, comments from Porsche NA and from 3-German porsche mags, they all agreed stopping distances were the same.

 

+1 for no brake dust. These PCCB's simply rock.

 

Most of these issues were with the previous generation of PCCBs. Any reports of similar on the new ones?

 

Honestly, I have the regular brakes and brake dust is not that bad actually, especially compared to my previous M3.

 

Misery loves company "johnww"? Granted, the 2nd gen. PCCB's on my 997 may not be the world's most cost efficient option, but which part about them is making me miserable? The no brake dust? The fact that they essentially never wear out? The reduction in unsprung weight? Man, I'm hating all of that **** . . .

 

Its the lack of certainty in braking until brakes warm up...I have two friends with ceramics that claim that is something they have to be careful about. I know ceramic discs never wear out is important to the next driver when I trade my tt at 50K. But that does little for me, the pads will still need replacing with ceramics. However, I did find out from an Atlanta dealer, that there are some new pads for ceramics more for street driving that helps stopping distances. The ones that come from the factory are oriented more for the race track. The unsprung weight just balanced out with my C21s.

 

John, you're wrong. I had iron rotors on my car for two years, then switched to 2nd gen. PCCB's with lightweight wheels. The handling characteristics improved noticeably with the loss of unsprung weight. There is now "lack of certainty" when I start out -- they bite harder than the irons from the first application. Lack of brake dust is just a nice bonus. I can fully understand why many may not want to spend the money; the irons are very, very good. But the notion that 2nd gen. PCCB's are somehow inferior is BS.

 

No,no,no, not saying inferior at all. Just saying the stopping distances between ceramic and steel are the same or extremely close after 3-4 panic stops. (over 3-4 panic stops, ceramics win hands down). I almost ordered ceramic myself until I found out I would have to change to a softer pad to get optimum stopping power on the street. Then, too, pads matched to ceramics need changing just like steel counter part. I know these ceramics are in stage 2, but with the threat of a $5K crack from a simple tire change/thrown stone and the bad history of Porsche's response to warranty issues with stage 1, I just backed out. Sometimes listening to recent glowing response in some of the recent mags, I wish I hadn't, but that's an history issue now.

 

I was concerned at the tyre change damage etc too.
My friends 996GT3 mark 2 has PCCB and they are hell of a noisy. They seem to work well but they are the loudest grinders in the business. Garage tells him this is normal? Put me right off.