deja crap all over again.

The only reason I bought my 997tt was to have the finest STREET car available for the money - I want the best brakes, the best handling, the best acceleration, the most comfortable, reliable and handsome car available in a sports/GT and have a car that can do all those things in the rain, snow or sunshine. Yes, the 997tt is in a class by itself.

 

+1 nice post from a fellow NJ 6 speeder (princeton).

 

I see, one mag favors the GT3 and it's considered gospel, another mag gets different results and it's BS.......guess unless a Porsche wins everything the results are questionable.

 

actually...one magazine was EVO mag which is considerably better than the rest which, in the US ALL i reapeat ALL seem to have anagenda when doing tests. did you even see the gt3 they tested? it was obv not a C&D car but a car given to them to use by an owner who has seemingly replaced the sotck wheels with 20s. z06s, like heavychevy pointed out are a dime a dozen, the GT3 was babied at that track. what i have noticed is that in all the tests where they are really, and i mean really wringing these cars, the GT3 comes out on top. z06 is close but has too many prob and will never be as dedicated a tack car or as reliable on the track as a GT2, GT2, or even a cayman or boxster. and while yes, there are tracks that cater to different cars, the porsche GT cars are going to be better.

 

Yeah, acutally it is to those who dont know any better(they are here and on corvette forum, you know, the MAG RACERS), the differences in the test up until this one have been so close that it is a drivers race between the two, whoever knows there car the best wins. If the Z06 shows up at the track with sticky tires, not much the GT3 can do to keep up. That is fact.


These results are B.S. for several reasons.

 

but in an ideal world, but with the same power, same weight, same tires, the z06 stands not a chance. but then again, its not ideal. lets wait for the GT2 to come out and make the z06 look even worse on the track than the GT3 does.

 

I agree, every Turbo model becomes less and less of a track car, it's like Porsche is weening Turbo owners off of their tracking abilities. This is my personal opinion but I think both the Turbo and GT2 are way overpriced as new cars and there wont be enough GT2's around for a while to really make them a threat to the Z06 so we'll be stuck mag racing again. And by that time the Blue Devil will be out to stop a hole in the GT2.


Like I said, that old stuff has to go and Porsche is going to have to go V8 or make some really high risk motors from the factory with 4.0, 4.2 liter flat 6's to really keep up. A 480 BHP GT3 would have owned EVERYTHING IN SIGHT, Porsche just doesnt have the killer instinct. Chevy is going for the jugular, even the base corvette will have 436 hp now so the Turbo will really be in danger of being chumped.

I'm still pissed about the 200 lbs they snuck onto the GT3 and lied saying it's the same as the 996 GT3, because EVERY test I have seen has had the GT3 weighing in at well over 3200+ lbs, which is sad because that hurts the performance of a car that really could be a MONSTER, right now it's just a great car. I think the 7:39 Ring time for the turbo is b.s. and where in the world did they get that 11.2 1/4 mile from, magazines suck!!!! Porsche is going to have to step up their game or get left the @%%^!@ behind, and the time is now, they had better start with the GT2. Kind of makes me wonder why they are starting to cater to the gentlans racing with the softy cars, someone better knuckle up!!!!!

 

i share the same sentiments. Porsche need to go for more knockouts like they used to. the 993TT and 996TT and 996GT3 were so far ahead of EVERYONE else. i guess they just got complacent and rested on their laurel a little too much on the 997TT and why they are still some of the best of the best, they could have been better. but now that the flat 6 is about to end its run, which could be a reason why competitors are catching up. and think about it. porsche is using MUCH MUCH smaller engines and much much smaller displacement. but that just shows how good they are. i mean if they took the approach chevy does with HUGE engine displacement, no one would ever even compete with them. imagine porsche using even a 5.0 liter v8 it would be lights out. i mean once the v8 hits in 911s, its gonna be all voer for everone considering they are still a benchmark with small displacement flat 6s.

 

After reading all the specs and reviews on the GT500, I don't know how else to put it... It handles like ****. That's the bottom line.

I have no idea why you would even bring an M6 into this discussion... But I guess I must inform you that the M6 is a luxury GT, not a poorly designed sports car. These two cars should never be compared, it's pointless because they're completely different on every level. I'll continue for your peace of mind though... Especially for being a heavy GT, the M6 is extremely fast and it has very good handling... But it still can't compete with a C6 Z06, a 997TT, or a GT3 around a track. That's alright though, because the car wasn't build for that purpose. There are very few cars that can compete with those three... The GT500 is definitely not one of them, no matter who the driver is... So let's stop pretending, shall we.

 

you hit the nail on the head right there!

 

Porsche and Chevrolet apply two extremes of powerplant philosophy:
Porche: flat6 high reving, turbos, variable throttle bodies, cams, exhaust etc. very complex
Chevy: v 8 big displacement, single cam / pushrods. very simple
Chevy uses a very antiquated leaf spring suspension and **** for tires.
Despite the low tech, The Z06 holds it's own (understatement).
I owned an '06 Z06 and it was phenominal at the track. I was destroyed by a 2006 z06 with coil overs and pilot sport tires on ccw wheels (we are equal drivers) by 2 seconds per lap ( my time was 1:07 on a 1.6 mile layout). take into consideration that his upgrades set him back 6k. taking his car total to about 80k. I am pretty sure that a GT3 would be close in time ( ie: drivers race) to the modded vette above.
I would hope that a GT2 would be SIGNIFICANTLY faster than both the Modded Z06 and GT3.
So where does that leave me? With a 'sold' Z06 and a 2008 997TT on order. Just had to see what all the hype was aboout and i fell in love with the brutal refinement of the Turbo. Would have went for a GT3 but no back seat for the children. Enjoy the never-ending debate.
Brian

 

well its good to have you back from the dark side.

 

Yeah the GT3 may keep up with the modded Z on that short track but on a longer track, I highly doubt it. You can buy traction and power aftermarket, but great handling comes from the showroom and the Z06 doesnt handle as well, especially on a short/tight course.

 

yea obv, the z06 with tons more hp and tq is going to benefit from long straight aways, but thats about it. you throw some complicated turns, s curves, and some hilly turns and the z gets dusted very easily.

 

Z06 guys don't even have coil overs from the factory...I would put my money on a a h/c 560rwhp Z06 with full coil over suspension over a 400whp n/a modded GT3. Now, a modded 997/996 GT2...well...Z06 will get dusted on the track