I found a video of the new E92 M3 racing a 997S done by E90board. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isBoU_Is24g&feature=user The 997S gets yanked hard all the way throughout the race, although he slightly hits the rev limiter in 2nd. The camera man and driver were trying to act as if the race was close. They either must be blind or couldn't admit getting their *** served lol.

 

Porsche in general is getting it's *** kicked.
Have you seen the new cars coming out?

A freakin Pontiac G8 GT (381hp) for $29,995
http://www.pontiac.com/g8/index.jsp

A Mustang Shelby GT 500 (500hp) for $42,330
http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/mustang/models/

An Infiniti G37 (330hp) for $34,900
http://www.infiniti.com/g_coupe/standard_features.html

NOW compare these cars to:

Carrera Stock no options at all (325hp) $73,500

Carrera S Stock no options at all (355hp) $83,800

I understand they are far superior cars to the ones just mentioned. But you all must admit that Porsche is falling behind in the horsepower competiiton. It's not all about horsepower, trust me, I realize this. But horsepower equates to ***** and in addition to handling, I'd like to think my car had some ***** hitting the turns. And the argument regarding "ya but on the track, Porsche dominates" would probably be an ok come back if we did not spend 2-3 times the money compared to a Pontiac G8!!

Come on!! Especially on the Flag ship turbos! Once you start talking 120-150k for a sports car, you might as well slam on some options/mods from the factory that can get the car at least above 500hp??? Better with mods that can get 750hp!!! then **** ya, I would not think twice about buying the car for 175K!

Piddling in the sub-500hp range for sports cars >80k is pretty sad. I did it because it was not all about the power for me. But, my argument is more about Porsche keeping up with the industry. I still love Porsches and I will continue to be a loyal customer. What I expect in return is an effort on Porsches part to "show me the Horses!!!!" God knows we have all been "Showing them the Money" for many years!!!

Sorry, buy an M3? is not a 911 and it will never be.

Oh, all of the above ----->IMHO.

 

Still impressive,,your car is pretty much stock, get some highflow cats, intake, and tune and see if ther is a difference..
I really want to run one

 

yes you are right.....
I'm planning ecu, high flow cats and a good intake...

 

I have an M3 .
I have a 997tt.
I also had a 997S .

The M3 is a beast but I was under the impression that it's speed is restricted at 155 MPH (maybe that's North American spec and i see you are in Argentina) . Also Tubi only made exhaust and manifold when I had bought parts for my former 997S car . I had Evoms headers on it . You also did not chip the ECU which would make a big difference in the midrange .

I do feel that my last modded 997S with F77 , Tubi, ECU was faster than the stock M3 but not by much .

Stock to stock OR as in your case stock M3 to lightly modded (but not chipped) 997S -- your story sounds about right . However look at this Gt3 cream it both in a straight line and on the track. Fast forward to 1 minute 30 seconds .http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0hVJgMQ2VA

The M3 can take the corners too but not like a Porsche .

 

In defense of the 997s it almost looked like the M3 :
1)got the jump as the cameraman hurried tone of voice
2) 997S has two passengers and their weight was not disclosed .
These two things are observable and widen the gap on a rolling start sprint race .

 

This the sorry excuse every Porsche owner has for comparisons against <insert more powerful/cheaper car here>. How much time do you spend on a track? I bet its less than 1%. So 99% of the time, be prepared to have your *** handed to you by a large number of autos with better standard features, more power, and lower cost.

Its just the reality.

 

Please,

I think you are missing the point. Anyone that purchases a 997 isn't:
1. Looking for a drag racer.
2. Looking for a stoplight street racer.
3. Doesn't care that a 500hp whatever, that costs $50K and looks like some teenage kid's Darth Vader wet dream can beat you at either of the above.

Any Porsche owner could have purchased 2 of the above but obviously was looking for something more for that 99% of the time.

That is the reality.

 

Well, i'll have to agree with Doug. we all love Porsche that's why we own them. but the reality is what gravedgr said. certainly we're not buying it to race with any punk at the stop light but the reality is most of our cars really spend less than 1% time on the track. anyone else uses the track as an excuse is just not gonna cut it.

 

As I have posted on the 997tt forum. Porsche really needs to increase the horsepower of their cars. That is the bottom line. In the 70's 80's and 90's, Porsche has always lead the pack with higher horsepower with stock cars. Sure there were always American muscle mods that had more power. But, you could not buy a Nissan (Datsun), Toyota, Chevy, Pontiac with more horse power than a stock Porsche. Now, it is all too common. That was my point on the 997tt forum and ****... everyone became so defensive! It's a fact!!!
Those that argue horse power is not important or "not what it's all about" are really missing my point!!!
Wouldn't you all like to see the 2009 997TT at over 550hp? Wouldn't you all like to see a 2009 or 2010 997s at 450hp? Oh, not me.... I want to have less horse power and a lighter car and better performance on the Track!!!
BULL****!!!!

 

most of you are totally right but what I meant by my comment was to keep handling in mind. I for one was not thinking of driving in a straight line for the rest of my life. I agree Porsche needs to step it up in the HP dept. but that's just one aspect of many that makes a car great.

 

Likely not going to be a popular opinion, but ~350 hp (with the ~4.5 second 0-60 and 180+ mph that comes with it) really is enough car for anyone. Does the guy driving the $200,000 Bentley care that a tuned WRX is going to smoke him off the line? Up until now, the most "fun" I had in car was with a '98 Boxster - traded it in on a '03 M3 for the motor and spent almost 5 years with the extra 130 or so hp and thought it was a good choice. Until I drove a 997S - back home where I belong.

The new M3 is a nice car; might even be faster (wasn't blown away with the test drive, actually prefer the e46 which feels "more alive" to me down low, but I didn't get way on top with it), but neither the e46 or e92 was as much "fun" as my old Boxster - which is not nearly as "fun" as the new 911. Comparisons are fun, but they are different cars that push different buttons.

What would I do with a 100 more hp? Just end up in jail - 355 seems like enough (for now anyway).

 

The facelift with DSG will come out soon and all will be right again in the universe.

Is it really that big of a deal that a newly released BMW M3, with a higher horsepower v8, is faster from a roll?

Porsche is timing the facelift perfectly. The C63, M3, etc. all have come out and I believe the straight line performance advantage will be back in the Carrera S's favor.

 

No, I think YOU are mising the point. You are simply making mine more obvious - people don't buy a Porsche because it is the best performing car in its price range, because it isn't. In fact, its not the best performing car in price ranges much lower. (And in case you didn't know, performance means more than what you listed above - a number of cars will whip a 911 on any track you like for much less $ - the Z06 being the most publicized example). People buy it because it is something special that isn't measured in data sheet numbers.

You act like I have no clue why people buy them. Wake up dude - I own one too. But unlike a huge majority, I bought it knowing that from a performance standpoint Porsche has fallen behind over the past few years in VALUE (i.e. performance/$). They will continue to cash in on the racing history, the marque, the uniqueness that makes a p-car a Porsche. But to lie to yourself that any of it makes it "best"...is just sad. There is nothing wrong with saying "I bought it because I wanted to and I can afford it."

 

You are 100% on the money. THIS is why we buy these cars, and I'm with you. Having a 500-600 hp monster is tempting, and it would be fun to dust someone on the highway once or twice. But the reality is I drive my car 2-3 times a week, and usually in traffic or on errands. Winding it out to 7200 rpm is fun, but illegal in anything other than 1st gear on most roads and so the reality of it is that 355 hp is perfectly fine.