Who gives a flying f*ck. Straightline performance is one aspect of the total performance envelope. If that's all you're interested in then buy a Viper and be done with it.

I would love to see an E92 or a Pontiac go round the Nurburgring as fast as a C2S. They're both sedans, have higher centers of gravity, weigh more and have inferior brakes and poor steering feel. (And yes I have driven an E92 and it's no sports car) In a C2S you would have time to stop for coffee before those guys caught up.

 

you guys are no better than the corvettte guys, the mustang guys, the honda guys etc. wahahahahhaha

it's amazing how many dudes have their d1cks tied to their cars so when they take a bath their car windows fog up

 

Sad but true.

Now let's rewatch the video of GT3 stompin the new M3 few times so that all of us can feel better....

In addition, I'd like to give thumbs up to Doug (Gravedgr) for his insightful posts! Good job man & nice car!

 

When you say E92, do you mean E92 M3? Because the C2S and the M3 have about dead even Nordschleife times - right around 8 flat. Sport Auto recently did an 8.05 in an M3, and it has been reported that BMW factory test drivers have cracked 8. The best reported time for a C2S is 7:59, but that was with famed factory driver Walter Rohrl at the helm and in a car that had the lowered Euro ride height.

 

... in the end... you buy a f'in porsche because its a porsche...

1) it will NEVER be the fastest car out there.....
2) it will NEVER be the fastest car out there.....
3) it will NEVER be the fastest car out there.....

but who cares? that's not why you got it...

also,
1) it will NEVER be the fastest car on the track...

etc.. etc... etc...

I was at a time attack race and Porsche owners will getting SKOOLED, and I mean SKOOLED by S2000s, Evos and STIs... soooo who the f cares? Perhaps the Pcar owners were driving less balsy protecting their 100K investments... I dunno... but I dont care what the faster car is... Pcars are fun to drive, are pretty damn fast (sub 13sec out of the box) and come with a special feeling with them...

 

You also have to test these cars on the same day with the same driver, and the same type of tires to have any real validity, as different weather and different drivers, and Cup tires can make a huge difference.

The new C2S should clear up any doubts.

And quite frankly if I wanted a sedan the M3 would probably be my choice, but I want a sports car, hence the 997S.

 

It's like these dudes try to cram the Porsche into a little box thereby compartmentalizing one performance piece of it (straightline monkey speed in this case) and utterly failing at showing the world it's faster than the fastest cars built.

they faily and their egos are hurt, so the swolled up insecurity cheerleader within them come up with a bunch of lame **** excuses about why the other car sux. the E92 M3 is an awesome car.

the 911 is not just one thing... it's holism at its finest... it's the look, the history, the "club", the sound of the flat6 brapping behind you, steering feel, the click of the clutch, the unique shape.... it's all these things put together that make it special.

it is not special because it is fast ina straightline. i would never ever pick the E92 M3 over a similar condition water-cooled 911. PERIOD. if there's a price delta, give me the extra cash left over and make like Fiddy and Go straight to da bank

 

Thanks, but really its just all about being honest with yourself (and others). There is no reason to get defensive about the 911's inability to compete with some less expensive cars in a variety of categories (performance being only one). I promise you that the kid that that stops on his bike and says "Hey mister, AWESOME CAR!" couldn't give a **** about whether its faster than an M3 at the drag strip, Nurburgring, etc. or whether it turns you into the Stig when you get on the track. And I would bet that a large percentage of us were that little kid at some point in life - and probably still are when we sit in our new 911 the first time - maybe every time? I get a big smile on my face every time I fire up and hear the rumble:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGxw_dIZh3M (cold start, camera on trash can )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5e_V605Cvg (inside the car, light acceleration [cold engine])

However, if you bought it because you think you are the Stig on the track and that your Porsche is somehow going to make you king of the <insert track here>, you're just a tool. All you need is about $30-40k and you can track cars that will lap the 911 like Dale Jarrett in the UPS truck.

 

IMHO i have had 4 M cars and since the last E46m3 the reliability issues moved me to now my second 997S...wow, no comparison in feel and reliablity like a tank...(#1 JD powers) also my local 2 bmw dealerships have become like toyota dealers (i also have a toyota) large volume, no personal care etc...so in my book not only is the 997S a better car but the dealership, reliability, and overall feel of the car are better...also i never got used to when i had a z3Mroadster that everyone would say "nice z3"...

there is no doubt when you see a carrera it is beautiful..

M3 looks like a steroided e92...not so beautiful i wish they would have stuck to the old m3's light nimble and reliable and simple look.... personally if i got another bmw i would get the 335i and mod it...IMHO

a lot of old m3 fans that i know have moved away from them ...because of cost and weight and reliability issues..
the carrera "feels" like the best sports car.....

 

I went from a 2001 911 Turbo straight to an E90 M. I test drove a 2005 Carrera S, then the M and I had to go back and drive a 2007 Carrera S and that last drive convinced ME that the M was the better car for me

I love Porsche, but I ain't lookin' back. My M is a BEAST and I love it!!

 

Oh, I think you should rethink that statement- We are definitley BETTER than the HONDA guys......

 

+1......

 

I think several of you are missing the point. The video was not asking the question "why you bought a Porsche and not an M3". I think the video just showcased that the 997 S is not as fast as E92 M3. It's not. I think I know. I, like Matt, have owned both. I have a 2013 M3 now and had an 2005 Carrera S previously. (Actually, I would characterize myself as a Porsche guy and I still have a '94 Carrera 4). I have found the M3 to be both faster in a straight line and on a track. The 997 just doesn't have the outright power the M3 has. The 997S (at least the first gen) has it's virtues - it is a Porsche, but it's hard to argue that the 997 somehow is better than the M3 based on any performance related criteria. Cheers and best.

 

Way to dig up 5 yr old thread!

 

I hear you. Was thinking of buying a 996 TT and happened upon this thread. What can I say? Too much time.