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Wow, that looks great, congrats...... very sporty, aggressive (in a good way) looking...... Love that center exhaust....If I knew I was going to own my car for a while I would possibly do the same. But have come close recently on a few other cars....
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But if I had money on it I would say Techart certainly would aero test their parts.....You don't produce a car like this without some R/D.... -link below- Techart is not a exhaust maker but a true tuner....by no means a RUF but one of the reputible tuners behind them.
http://www.techart.de/homee_gesamt.htm Look at the GtStreet RS.... car was featured on Speed Network "Super Cars Exposed" last week.... a beast.
I drive cars at track events, DE's, autocross event once, some spirited rides etc but one time had a real race car driver take my car (with me in it) on the track (a new car in his hands, not at all familar with it) and it was a humbling experience....up until this point I thought I could drive...thought I had driven my car to "the limits" etc but I was sadly mistaken,,,,, He proved that I have never ever drove my car nearly close to it's limits. Uless your professionally trained or have TONs of track experience I dare say not many have driven their cars to "the limit". To the limit for a second or two is not driving at the cars limit....drivng the car to it's limits (any car) is doing such in a totally controlled manner.....otherwise it is just wreckless driving. We have all done it, not chastisizing anyone for it...just making a point is all.
http://www.techart.de/homee_gesamt.htm Look at the GtStreet RS.... car was featured on Speed Network "Super Cars Exposed" last week.... a beast.
I drive cars at track events, DE's, autocross event once, some spirited rides etc but one time had a real race car driver take my car (with me in it) on the track (a new car in his hands, not at all familar with it) and it was a humbling experience....up until this point I thought I could drive...thought I had driven my car to "the limits" etc but I was sadly mistaken,,,,, He proved that I have never ever drove my car nearly close to it's limits. Uless your professionally trained or have TONs of track experience I dare say not many have driven their cars to "the limit". To the limit for a second or two is not driving at the cars limit....drivng the car to it's limits (any car) is doing such in a totally controlled manner.....otherwise it is just wreckless driving. We have all done it, not chastisizing anyone for it...just making a point is all.
yrralis, im not sure what your name is (im shawn), but you are one of the first people to answer my questions on this forum before i actually even made my purchase and i know you have tasetfully modded tt.
to answer your question, i wouldnt put an aero part on my car unless i knew it would properly work at high speeds. i attend some fun runs and you'd be better off coming to those with the Goods, else you might end up in a ditch.
in one of my earlier posts, i asked in someone elses thread if there were any wind tunnel tests of the various wings everyone was putting on their cars and didnt get a straight answer.
so, i need form + function. but i wont put an ugly a$$ wing on my car just because it gives good downforce. in that case, i prefer to stay stock. but if a wing can look good and perform, i could do with that.
the 997 aero kit is wind tested by porsche and it has 'zero lift' so imo is probably the best option for the car.
i dont know if techart or any other aftermarket company has pockets deep enough to fully wind tunnel test aero kits despite what they may claim.
what i do see a lot of is just rear wings and no, i wouldnt do that unless i made arrangements for the front as well.
i actually do drive my car near the limits at times and i dont want to fly off into the weeds
to answer your question, i wouldnt put an aero part on my car unless i knew it would properly work at high speeds. i attend some fun runs and you'd be better off coming to those with the Goods, else you might end up in a ditch.
in one of my earlier posts, i asked in someone elses thread if there were any wind tunnel tests of the various wings everyone was putting on their cars and didnt get a straight answer.
so, i need form + function. but i wont put an ugly a$$ wing on my car just because it gives good downforce. in that case, i prefer to stay stock. but if a wing can look good and perform, i could do with that.
the 997 aero kit is wind tested by porsche and it has 'zero lift' so imo is probably the best option for the car.
i dont know if techart or any other aftermarket company has pockets deep enough to fully wind tunnel test aero kits despite what they may claim.
what i do see a lot of is just rear wings and no, i wouldnt do that unless i made arrangements for the front as well.
i actually do drive my car near the limits at times and i dont want to fly off into the weeds
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Yes we will disagree.... to me a "different" and or "unique" car is important. (Of course in good taste, not sure that we really need to try and debate a unique mod done poorly like your pedal kit...
, here is a pic of the path I took for reference
but did consider the ones you posted as option B) I just don't want something everyone else has. That is why I love a board such as 6speed.... otherwise I would just surf the Porsche usa website. Someone here made their own side skirts for their 997, I thought that was amazing..... Reading his posts and watching his progress was a 100X more interesting then someone simply adding a part easily had. Way beyond my skills, but just noting a unique mod that made his car different, results were fantastic....
I do not know what a GT3 OEM wing costs? Just so I can make the comparison but looks wise out of all 997 wings my favorite is the TT as it sits lower, love the hydraulic second wing blade and its not to in your face IMO. Some may feel different....
Funny you ask, I have done what you have suggested (lining up both cars) and I can tell you from doing it you maybe surprised with the results....now have you done the same? Pics are a hard comparison...My car does ride on techart coil overs so the ride height helped, black exhaust tips, and different emblem from stock so was comparing the full visual as a whole....not a huge fan of the square exhaust tips on the TT....
" I also agree that the aero pack is the best route to take. it looks the best and is cheaper than any aftermarket kit.
, here is a pic of the path I took for reference but did consider the ones you posted as option B) I just don't want something everyone else has. That is why I love a board such as 6speed.... otherwise I would just surf the Porsche usa website. Someone here made their own side skirts for their 997, I thought that was amazing..... Reading his posts and watching his progress was a 100X more interesting then someone simply adding a part easily had. Way beyond my skills, but just noting a unique mod that made his car different, results were fantastic....I do not know what a GT3 OEM wing costs? Just so I can make the comparison but looks wise out of all 997 wings my favorite is the TT as it sits lower, love the hydraulic second wing blade and its not to in your face IMO. Some may feel different....
Funny you ask, I have done what you have suggested (lining up both cars) and I can tell you from doing it you maybe surprised with the results....now have you done the same? Pics are a hard comparison...My car does ride on techart coil overs so the ride height helped, black exhaust tips, and different emblem from stock so was comparing the full visual as a whole....not a huge fan of the square exhaust tips on the TT....
" I also agree that the aero pack is the best route to take. it looks the best and is cheaper than any aftermarket kit.
I think your mistaken here..... if your referring to adding an oem aero kit to a car later it is costly.... if your referring to it coming with the car then you will pay a premium for this, which IMO well worth it.[/quote]
ok, your pedals look better than mine. but i rarely see my feet when i drive and i dont show my car at shows so its probably not something i would do to my car.
on a serious note, i would never do a mod "JUST" to be different or unique. it has to provide me something beyond just that.
in texas, you're unique enough just driving a porsche. in fact i rarely see them and break neck when i do spot one.
my only comparison is your pics and the tt's i have seen in person.
as far as the GT3 aero kit goes, i havent checked exact prices but i wouldnt think it would be anymore to retrofit a car than say get a full techart kit
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its a perfect example of what im talking about. the wing is too wide for the body
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as for the techart wheel above, we have a tuner in the vette world (carravaggio in canada) that builds just about identical custom wheels for about 800 us dollars.
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But if I had money on it I would say Techart certainly would aero test their parts.....You don't produce a car like this without some R/D.... -link below- Techart is not a exhaust maker but a true tuner....by no means a RUF but one of the reputible tuners behind them.
http://www.techart.de/homee_gesamt.htm Look at the GtStreet RS.... car was featured on Speed Network "Super Cars Exposed" last week.... a beast.
I drive cars at track events, DE's, autocross event once, some spirited rides etc but one time had a real race car driver take my car (with me in it) on the track (a new car in his hands, not at all familar with it) and it was a humbling experience....up until this point I thought I could drive...thought I had driven my car to "the limits" etc but I was sadly mistaken,,,,, He proved that I have never ever drove my car nearly close to it's limits. Uless your professionally trained or have TONs of track experience I dare say not many have driven their cars to "the limit". To the limit for a second or two is not driving at the cars limit....drivng the car to it's limits (any car) is doing such in a totally controlled manner.....otherwise it is just wreckless driving. We have all done it, not chastisizing anyone for it...just making a point is all.
http://www.techart.de/homee_gesamt.htm Look at the GtStreet RS.... car was featured on Speed Network "Super Cars Exposed" last week.... a beast.
I drive cars at track events, DE's, autocross event once, some spirited rides etc but one time had a real race car driver take my car (with me in it) on the track (a new car in his hands, not at all familar with it) and it was a humbling experience....up until this point I thought I could drive...thought I had driven my car to "the limits" etc but I was sadly mistaken,,,,, He proved that I have never ever drove my car nearly close to it's limits. Uless your professionally trained or have TONs of track experience I dare say not many have driven their cars to "the limit". To the limit for a second or two is not driving at the cars limit....drivng the car to it's limits (any car) is doing such in a totally controlled manner.....otherwise it is just wreckless driving. We have all done it, not chastisizing anyone for it...just making a point is all.
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Pedal Kit....
"ok, your pedals look better than mine. but i rarely see my feet when i drive and i dont show my car at shows so its probably not something i would do to my car."
OK here goes....
The right pedal kit will offer better grip, more surface for foot to grab, gas extension (seen as red portion) for aiding some Heel /Toe driving, boards are metal and some say when wearing thin rubber soled racing shoes no slippy slippy....also you can mount most quality pedals at different heights based on drivers preference.... A pedal kit might offer more performance in your driving then a wing would overall and for less then$500 quite the deal........daily driving, autocross, even a DE event pedal kit might offer more then a wing to many....unless your on a long oval and strictly running high speed runs of course, here then yes the wing will be the more impactful upgrade performance speaking..
Oh and they look amazing at shows if you choose
ok, your pedals look better than mine. but i rarely see my feet when i drive and i dont show my car at shows so its probably not something i would do to my car.
on a serious note, i would never do a mod "JUST" to be different or unique. it has to provide me something beyond just that.
in texas, you're unique enough just driving a porsche. in fact i rarely see them and break neck when i do spot one.
my only comparison is your pics and the tt's i have seen in person.
as far as the GT3 aero kit goes, i havent checked exact prices but i wouldnt think it would be anymore to retrofit a car than say get a full techart kit[/quote]
OK here goes....
The right pedal kit will offer better grip, more surface for foot to grab, gas extension (seen as red portion) for aiding some Heel /Toe driving, boards are metal and some say when wearing thin rubber soled racing shoes no slippy slippy....also you can mount most quality pedals at different heights based on drivers preference.... A pedal kit might offer more performance in your driving then a wing would overall and for less then$500 quite the deal........daily driving, autocross, even a DE event pedal kit might offer more then a wing to many....unless your on a long oval and strictly running high speed runs of course, here then yes the wing will be the more impactful upgrade performance speaking..
Oh and they look amazing at shows if you choose
on a serious note, i would never do a mod "JUST" to be different or unique. it has to provide me something beyond just that.
in texas, you're unique enough just driving a porsche. in fact i rarely see them and break neck when i do spot one.
my only comparison is your pics and the tt's i have seen in person.
as far as the GT3 aero kit goes, i havent checked exact prices but i wouldnt think it would be anymore to retrofit a car than say get a full techart kit[/quote]
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amazing......
That is amazing, you'll never see that stuff here in Boston region..... I am officially jealous. Just to watch I would be happy with.....sounds like in this type of event a wing and or aero set up would be impactful, agreed.... sounds like you need 9ff help...
http://www.9ff.de/en/index.php
http://www.9ff.de/en/index.php
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"ok, your pedals look better than mine. but i rarely see my feet when i drive and i dont show my car at shows so its probably not something i would do to my car."
OK here goes....
The right pedal kit will offer better grip, more surface for foot to grab, gas extension (seen as red portion) for aiding some Heel /Toe driving, boards are metal and some say when wearing thin rubber soled racing shoes no slippy slippy....also you can mount most quality pedals at different heights based on drivers preference.... A pedal kit might offer more performance in your driving then a wing would overall and for less then$500 quite the deal........daily driving, autocross, even a DE event pedal kit might offer more then a wing to many....unless your on a long oval and strictly running high speed runs of course, here then yes the wing will be the more impactful upgrade performance speaking..
Oh and they look amazing at shows if you choose
ok, your pedals look better than mine. but i rarely see my feet when i drive and i dont show my car at shows so its probably not something i would do to my car.
on a serious note, i would never do a mod "JUST" to be different or unique. it has to provide me something beyond just that.
in texas, you're unique enough just driving a porsche. in fact i rarely see them and break neck when i do spot one.
my only comparison is your pics and the tt's i have seen in person.
as far as the GT3 aero kit goes, i havent checked exact prices but i wouldnt think it would be anymore to retrofit a car than say get a full techart kit
OK here goes....
The right pedal kit will offer better grip, more surface for foot to grab, gas extension (seen as red portion) for aiding some Heel /Toe driving, boards are metal and some say when wearing thin rubber soled racing shoes no slippy slippy....also you can mount most quality pedals at different heights based on drivers preference.... A pedal kit might offer more performance in your driving then a wing would overall and for less then$500 quite the deal........daily driving, autocross, even a DE event pedal kit might offer more then a wing to many....unless your on a long oval and strictly running high speed runs of course, here then yes the wing will be the more impactful upgrade performance speaking..
Oh and they look amazing at shows if you choose
ok, your pedals look better than mine. but i rarely see my feet when i drive and i dont show my car at shows so its probably not something i would do to my car.
on a serious note, i would never do a mod "JUST" to be different or unique. it has to provide me something beyond just that.
in texas, you're unique enough just driving a porsche. in fact i rarely see them and break neck when i do spot one.
my only comparison is your pics and the tt's i have seen in person.
as far as the GT3 aero kit goes, i havent checked exact prices but i wouldnt think it would be anymore to retrofit a car than say get a full techart kit
the Z06 comes with aluminum clutch and brake pedals. they were slick as dodo if your shoes happend to be wet.
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i went to find you a link of the last public event we did but corvetteforum has rebooted and all threads beyond the second page have been erased. i will post up some pics next run
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hmmmmm.....
Going with what works well a majority of the time is the goal IMO when modding.
PS My pedals have raised rubber grips........grip in dry and wet
the Z06 comes with aluminum clutch and brake pedals. they were slick as dodo if you shoes happed to be wet.[/quote]
PS My pedals have raised rubber grips........grip in dry and wet
the Z06 comes with aluminum clutch and brake pedals. they were slick as dodo if you shoes happed to be wet.
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that would be great
Thanks, would love to check that out....
sounds amazing.... I live in the wrong part of the country for being a car enthusiast...
sounds amazing.... I live in the wrong part of the country for being a car enthusiast...
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after the second run, we decided to take it private and do invite only. problem was, in the first couple of runs, some guys brought their wives/gf's some of whom got very scared and pissed when they realized this was not a relaxed cruise thru the hills
the last run was a small gathering of guys who came to drive. it was alot easier to organize. drove thru beautiful roads into bfe, had lunch, and came back.
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This is a beautiful car . I happen to like both the understated Techart as well as the race version RS like yours . The key is balance peformance with quality parts and put together a package which works well on the car .
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But can say I agree that Techart is of very high quality from what I know and read......my car rides on Techart coil overs.
For me personally, yes I will admit the 997 has more juice then I will ever need for the street.....I am not a track junkie. (wish there were tracks closer or could be) I always try and make my car look as visually appealing as possible in my eyes.......extra perf is also important to me but I would not compromise how my car looks to get there... I have RUF wheels, we all know they are heavy for example, but strong and look great...
If I was forced not to mod and had an option between a 997 none S with aero package over a 997s none aero, I would take the none s aero....yes I am that guy, at least I am honest with myself . (not want to start this again but we all know how close in perf the none S and the S are) I have seen your posts and know perf is extremely important to you and applaud that.......possibly why you went to the TT from your prior 997.... congrats, your car looks great.......
Forum posting can be hard, so hope this came over OK, just speaking about my own personal views as a car enthusiast, again wasn't sure if your question was for me. hope that is OK....
Steering wheel is amazing you posted..... truly amazing, but costs as much as my TT wing project.... out of my league but appreciate such quality.
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For me personally, yes I will admit the 997 has more juice then I will ever need for the street.....I am not a track junkie. (wish there were tracks closer or could be) I always try and make my car look as visually appealing as possible in my eyes.......extra perf is also important to me but I would not compromise how my car looks to get there... I have RUF wheels, we all know they are heavy for example, but strong and look great...
If I was forced not to mod and had an option between a 997 none S with aero package over a 997s none aero, I would take the none s aero....yes I am that guy, at least I am honest with myself
. (not want to start this again but we all know how close in perf the none S and the S are) I have seen your posts and know perf is extremely important to you and applaud that.......possibly why you went to the TT from your prior 997.... congrats, your car looks great.......Forum posting can be hard, so hope this came over OK, just speaking about my own personal views as a car enthusiast, again wasn't sure if your question was for me. hope that is OK....
Steering wheel is amazing you posted..... truly amazing, but costs as much as my TT wing project.... out of my league but appreciate such quality.
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I try to look at the car and pick a system which has enough uniformity to be functional.
If I do the new 850 Hp Evoms car which entails a complete engine rebuild I will have to change many things and for now I am going to wait a bit BUT ...
What is very important to me is placing function and safety as top priorities especially at these 700 - 850 levels of HP and a properly designed aerokit is a very important aspect of such a car.
After 19 months the car is ready to track and even though I have low miles and stare at it like its art when I finally do take it onto the track it MUST operate correctly .