997.1 TT vs. 997.2 C4S PDK ....
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In 2009 I had a chance to purchase a 997.1 TT or 997.2 C4S PDK. I choose the car with the newer technology. I new that the turbo would be a faster car but I think for street driving the PDK would keep up, and in straight line driving it wouldn't be far off in the 1/4 mile. If you look at this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzm639IcWnE
You will see a C2S PDK keep up with a 500 hp Gallardo. Not bad for a car that is less 120 hp. I think that if this race was done from a stand still the PDK would have done even better!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzm639IcWnE
You will see a C2S PDK keep up with a 500 hp Gallardo. Not bad for a car that is less 120 hp. I think that if this race was done from a stand still the PDK would have done even better!
I typically do not like to compare cars that are modified, but if you could add power and improve driveability with such ease, while not having any downside, the Turbo (with an ECU flash) should be a simple choice.
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Modified brings the car to a new level. In fact the Evoms 700 brings the Turbo lag down to almost make the car feel normally aspirated . The acceleration is linear and quite seamless . It's like Popeye after he ate spinach .. most can not compete .. other turbos can depending on the driver skill and level of tuning parts . Some cars which cost a lot more might compete as well but bang for the buck -- a modded Turbo is king.
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Most of these cars do ok in drag race events but there are so many strong cars in a 1/4 mile . The real strength of the Turbo is the rolling start . Most cars lack the traction or the upper range power with turbo boost.
Modified brings the car to a new level. In fact the Evoms 700 brings the Turbo lag down to almost make the car feel normally aspirated . The acceleration is linear and quite seamless . It's like Popeye after he ate spinach .. most can not compete .. other turbos can depending on the driver skill and level of tuning parts . Some cars which cost a lot more might compete as well but bang for the buck -- a modded Turbo is king.
Modified brings the car to a new level. In fact the Evoms 700 brings the Turbo lag down to almost make the car feel normally aspirated . The acceleration is linear and quite seamless . It's like Popeye after he ate spinach .. most can not compete .. other turbos can depending on the driver skill and level of tuning parts . Some cars which cost a lot more might compete as well but bang for the buck -- a modded Turbo is king.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzm639IcWnE
You will see a C2S PDK keep up with a 500 hp Gallardo. Not bad for a car that is less 120 hp. I think that if this race was done from a stand still the PDK would have done even better!
You will see a C2S PDK keep up with a 500 hp Gallardo. Not bad for a car that is less 120 hp. I think that if this race was done from a stand still the PDK would have done even better!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHcYy2_peSo
And from a dig, the Carrera may have PDK, but the 997TT has AWD. A clutch slip from 2800 is more than enough to pull ahead.
Ignore the fact that the PDK Carrera left a little early in this video, but the PDK Carrera may be on par with the 996TT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5BVmaU-Vvo
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At the risk of sounding too defensive, I don't think it's a silly comment. I spent 1/2 my life in the cold and snow of the northeast. A decade in the difficult conditions of upstate NY. Many drivers of AWD cars would develop a false sense of confidence with their vehicles that is evidenced when they find themselves needing to stop the car at a rate that simply can't be fulfilled while FWD and RWD drivers would not be pushing it as hard. No issue about the starting/steering thing. But braking is a very important factor to be the weakest link.
In a very high powered sports car, it makes the car safely drive-able by a larger number of relatively average drivers and enables acceleration times that would otherwise be unachievable. A slight loss in steering feel is a very reasonable trade to harness and apply all that power.
Just my view.
In a very high powered sports car, it makes the car safely drive-able by a larger number of relatively average drivers and enables acceleration times that would otherwise be unachievable. A slight loss in steering feel is a very reasonable trade to harness and apply all that power.
Just my view.
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It is absurd to think that a 997.2 pdk can beat a 997.1 turbo or gallardo. My statement is that these new pdk cars can keep with the 997.1 turbos to a certain point from 0 mph. I was trying to figure out what that point is. Has anyone ever run the two stock cars side by side in a linear run? I have seen articles in which pdk cars have been able to post 0-60 runs in the high 3's and quarter mile times in the high 11's. Is this true? Has anyone in a stock C4S or C2S pdk car run these times? These are 997.1 turbo times. I know that after third gear the turbo will blow the doors off the C4S pdk car but up to that point I think it will be close.
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It is absurd to think that a 997.2 pdk can beat a 997.1 turbo or gallardo. My statement is that these new pdk cars can keep with the 997.1 turbos to a certain point from 0 mph. I was trying to figure out what that point is. Has anyone ever run the two stock cars side by side in a linear run? I have seen articles in which pdk cars have been able to post 0-60 runs in the high 3's and quarter mile times in the high 11's. Is this true? Has anyone in a stock C4S or C2S pdk car run these times? These are 997.1 turbo times. I know that after third gear the turbo will blow the doors off the C4S pdk car but up to that point I think it will be close.
a 12.21 @ 114.5....with a 1.91 60'....I am sure I can get in the 1.8's and close to 12 flat but need better conditions...JUST FOR A COMPARISON.. a Ferrari F430 at the same track ran 12.2 @ 120...
I WILL BE MORE THAN WILLING TO RUN A STOCK 996TT..JUST NAME THE TIME AND PLACE. Don't read anything into my thread..I always race purely for the fun and enjoyment of it!!
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Yeah, okay, I 100% agree with that. All the drivers in SUVs who think their "AWD" makes it okay to speed in the rain/snow are very dangerous. I was confused because this thread is talking about how fast cars can go, and of course 4WD makes a car much faster in bad conditions.
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PDK Carrera S
0-30 mph 1.5 seconds
0-60 mph 4.1 seconds
Turbo
0-30 mph 1.4 seconds
0-60 mph 3.5 seconds
After the first 1.5 seconds (30mph) the PDK Carrera S starts falling behind. In 3.5 seconds (60 mph), there is a 20-40 foot difference.
So, the PDK Carrera S "keeps up" for maybe 1.5 to 2 seconds.
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BUT -- even the worst skilled shifter will still beat the 997S and he'll pull him before second gear ends . In fact once he hits thrird .. he's gone and if he makes it to 4th .. out of sight.
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