in a base 997.1 Carrera on a shorter track.. say the streets of willow etc.? Assume the Ferrari driver thinks he knows how to drive but is really just fighting the red mist--no training whatsoever.

 

can never make assumption on ones driving skill.

car for car, absolutely no way. 430 Scud's performance is on par with my .2RS.

 

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What better car to learn to drive on track for a beginner than a 430 Scuderia. There is no danger in this at all. Not for him, his car, or you.

Enjoy. I'd start behind him, and just hang out in his mirror for 3 1/2 minutes or less, and wait for something spectacular to happen.

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Anything is possible, but on most tracks a 430 Suderia is faster then a 997.2GT3RS. They are beasts! If the driver doesn't know what he is doing, or are being cautious then it is possible. I know a pro racer that was passing a bunch of Porsches in a rental Jeep Cherokee.

 

Thanks for the replies. This is looking COMPLETELY doable # 14 is the base carrera. Here are the current lap times for the streets of willow.:

1. Ferrari 458 Italia 1:22.30 '09 570 / 1540 Motor Trend
2. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:23.87 '08 647 / 1530 Edmunds
3. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Carbon 1:24.28 '11 512 / 1394 Edmunds
4. Nissan GT-R 1:25.09 '08 479 / 1740 Edmunds
5. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:26.92 '06 420 / 1560 Edmunds
6. Porsche Boxster Spyder 1:27.10 '10 320 / 1275 motortrend
7. Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport C6 1:27.29 '10 436 / 1542 Inside Line
8. BMW M3 (E92) 1:27.67 '07 420 / 1619 motortrend
9. Ford Mustang GT 5.0 1:27.76 '11 412 / 1648 motortrend
10. Nissan 370Z 1:28.30 '09 330 / 1583 Road&Track
11. Porsche Cayman S 1:28.91 '05 295 / 1406 Road&Track
12. Shelby GT500 1:29.04 '06 507 / 1807 best motoring
13. Cadillac CTS-V 1:29.20 '05 406 / 1704 Edmunds
14. Porsche 997 Carrera 1:29.25 '04 325 / 1395 Edmunds

 

could beat a novice driving in base 911 Vs the Scud than the answer is absolutely. A scud is not going to turn the novice track driver into a pro. I would say if you put a novice driver in a scud vs a regular track day guy it would not even be close

 

Respectfully disagree.

Used 1989, 1990 Mazda Miata. A skilled driver with a track setup Miata will easily take most novices in any exotic ultra-high performance car.

Force yourself to to learn driving dynamics before depending on 515hp.

 

Nah, we agree. Your e-sarcasm meter needs calibrating.

I expect the Scud to come to an abrupt end.

 

LOL

 

I thought you were just trolling for GTR bashing, but this is A+ man.

Driver skill >>> car.

 

can be driven when it is driven right by a highly trained person. I've taken a few hot laps with a professional racer and it was just amazing. He did things I would not have even have fathomed and i like to think of myself as a decent driver.

 

If you have to ask this question, then you aren't a fast enough driver to be the hot shoe for the porsche in said competition. but if your scud driver hasn't been to streets and has less than 5 days of track time, I would be willing to bet your pinkslip that someone with a resume or someone with a club racing license would be over 10 seconds a lap faster on streets of willow in your porsche.

 

Considering he will probably have a instructor with him, ( I know I did for my first track day) he probably wont even get the chance to go "flat out"

 

Agreed which is why I asked the question. I'm still working on my first track instruction in this car (hopefully soon)

 

Wait, it's your first time as well?

I'll be the oddball here. I think your track times will be similar.

But if it is a first for both of you, I hope you'll have instructors that won't let you focus on lap times, keep your speeds moderate, and let you enjoy your first time. I see it all the time - people who compare laptimes at a track. In the end, nobody loses, because everybody has a great time. Just remember, you don't win trophies at track events - your car is your trophy. And the best end result is a great learning experience, that allows you to drive home.

If you already knew all of this - please disregard.