DME over revs Ranges 3, 4 and 5 reported. Is it OK?
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Quick question. For us original purchasers, aren't we just SOL after our four years of factory warranty up? There has been some conversations regrading buying extended contracts, but most of them tend to advise not going in that direction due to the initial cost and betting/gambling that something will go wrong and that the majority of repair items generally are not covered anyway?
The conclusion seems to have been yes, for peace of mind, no, if you are confident in your equipment.
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The conclusion seems to have been yes, for peace of mind, no, if you are confident in your equipment.
Thoughts?
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Quick question. For us original purchasers, aren't we just SOL after our four years of factory warranty up? Their has been some conversations regrading buying extended contracts, but most of them tend to advise not going in that direction due to the initial cost and betting/gambling that something will go wrong and that the majority of repair items generally are not covered anyway?
The conclusion seems to have been yes, for peace of mind, no, if you are confident in your equipment.
Thoughts?
The conclusion seems to have been yes, for peace of mind, no, if you are confident in your equipment.
Thoughts?
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Wow, this is quite a thread. I got a DME scan on my car. Nothing over range 3. When I traded it in, the dealer didn't scan it, so I could have overreved the hell out of it.
After reading nearly EVERY post in the thread I couldnt believe that the fundamental point was not discussed. Any car can be a reasonable VALUE. You can get a car with a salvage title if you want. And drive it for 10 years and not have any issues. You can get a car with over revs in range 6 and have no engine problems and sell it to someone that doesn't ask for a scan. ANYTHING is possible. What one needs to consider are factors that make problems more probable. Use the info to negotiate a better price.
A C4S targa is the most expensive car of the line. They rarely come cheap. I only hope the OP used the information in advance to negotiate an appropriate price for the car. It is a rare one, hope you enjoy her!
After reading nearly EVERY post in the thread I couldnt believe that the fundamental point was not discussed. Any car can be a reasonable VALUE. You can get a car with a salvage title if you want. And drive it for 10 years and not have any issues. You can get a car with over revs in range 6 and have no engine problems and sell it to someone that doesn't ask for a scan. ANYTHING is possible. What one needs to consider are factors that make problems more probable. Use the info to negotiate a better price.
A C4S targa is the most expensive car of the line. They rarely come cheap. I only hope the OP used the information in advance to negotiate an appropriate price for the car. It is a rare one, hope you enjoy her!
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Wow, this is quite a thread. I got a DME scan on my car. Nothing over range 3. When I traded it in, the dealer didn't scan it, so I could have overreved the hell out of it.
After reading nearly EVERY post in the thread I couldnt believe that the fundamental point was not discussed. Any car can be a reasonable VALUE. You can get a car with a salvage title if you want. And drive it for 10 years and not have any issues. You can get a car with over revs in range 6 and have no engine problems and sell it to someone that doesn't ask for a scan. ANYTHING is possible. What one needs to consider are factors that make problems more probable. Use the info to negotiate a better price.
A C4S targa is the most expensive car of the line. They rarely come cheap. I only hope the OP used the information in advance to negotiate an appropriate price for the car. It is a rare one, hope you enjoy her!
After reading nearly EVERY post in the thread I couldnt believe that the fundamental point was not discussed. Any car can be a reasonable VALUE. You can get a car with a salvage title if you want. And drive it for 10 years and not have any issues. You can get a car with over revs in range 6 and have no engine problems and sell it to someone that doesn't ask for a scan. ANYTHING is possible. What one needs to consider are factors that make problems more probable. Use the info to negotiate a better price.
A C4S targa is the most expensive car of the line. They rarely come cheap. I only hope the OP used the information in advance to negotiate an appropriate price for the car. It is a rare one, hope you enjoy her!
The car was an eBay sale and I had negotiated a price and placed a deposit down on the car before I could have a pre purchase inspection done. I scrambled to understand what the information meant and this board and its members where extremely helpful!
At that point I don't think I could have negotiated down the price. My concern was whether it was a serious enough issue to pull the plug on the sale. I concluded it to be a nonissue. While some will argue with me, that's where I came in at.
The funny thing is, I doubt many buyers do run the DME, let alone try to understand what it means. I purchased the car for less than the Edmunds TMV, which to me was a fair deal.
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Quick question. For us original purchasers, aren't we just SOL after our four years of factory warranty up? There has been some conversations regrading buying extended contracts, but most of them tend to advise not going in that direction due to the initial cost and betting/gambling that something will go wrong and that the majority of repair items generally are not covered anyway?
The conclusion seems to have been yes, for peace of mind, no, if you are confident in your equipment.
Thoughts?
The conclusion seems to have been yes, for peace of mind, no, if you are confident in your equipment.
Thoughts?
That would be a good thread to run on expected mechanical costs vs. Warranty costs over a 7 year period. Hopefully there a couple Actuaries out there!
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Over the last 5 years there has been lots of discussion re over revs...however, I don't ever remember reading about range 5 or range 6 engine damage being reported. Not that damage hasn't occurred but has anyone ever reported such an occurrence?? "Very probable" and "generally occurred" are not very specific - I'd like to hear about "actual".
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Not to extend this thread for another 10 pages, and not to hi-jack this thread, but since everybody seems to be nit-picking, I figured I'd fire another shot over the bow 
Not counting Turbo's, GT2's, GT3's, or any of the special editions (GTS, Black, etc.), but I don't think the C4S Targa is "the most expensive in the line". I think that title would go to the C4S Cab.
Ok, go ahead and call me an a**
Not counting Turbo's, GT2's, GT3's, or any of the special editions (GTS, Black, etc.), but I don't think the C4S Targa is "the most expensive in the line". I think that title would go to the C4S Cab.
Ok, go ahead and call me an a**
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.Any car can be a reasonable VALUE. You can get a car with a salvage title if you want. And drive it for 10 years and not have any issues. You can get a car with over revs in range 6 and have no engine problems and sell it to someone that doesn't ask for a scan. ANYTHING is possible. What one needs to consider are factors that make problems more probable. Use the info to negotiate a better price.
A seller isn't going to cater to buyer worries when he can sell the car to someone else who thinks it's "perfect" .
But yes .. I agree with you .. anything can be negotiated on day 1 and if the speculation trumps the risk and 10 years of ownership turn out well .. then the buyer beat the odds ... but red flag indicators don't just vanish .
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I bought this one through eBay Motors. I bought a Mercedes the same way 10 years ago. Back then my then wife asked me "what kind of idiot buys a used Mercedes on eBay?". When I received the car it needed a couple things and the seller stepped up to the plate.
In addition to trying understand the vehicle, I also look at the seller. I look for sellers that have a dealership and a very high ~100% feedback rating. this car's dealer has a 100% feedback rating. The Mercedes seller had a 98.9% rating, also on hundreds of sales. (I remember one of the two negatives coming from someone who bought a used Jaguar and claimed it was a lemon. I thought their complaint was the definition of a used Jaguar).
My rationale on this is twofold, first if I buy from a local dealer and I have a problem, I have no public manner of recourse. I could get completely screwed over and the local dealer's actions would never be known. With a high rated eBay seller they want to maintain their high rating and will work hard with the buyer to fix a problem. Once negative feedback is out, there it lasts forever for every potential buyer to see. While the description of the negative strike drops off over time, but the strike remains. I feel this is better than with a local dealer.
My second reason for being comfortable in buying a car I have not driven is exactly based on the who in their right mind would buy a car they have never driver? type of thinking. This is exactly what dealers do at auctions. The car sitting on the lot, even if a local car, may very well have come in from another dealer through the auction. They will always verbally say it was a trade, but you never know. If they buy a car with problems, they still need to sell it. So essentially I am buying the car in the same manner as the dealer that is selling the car locally.
Also, even if the car came in on trade in, the dealer has to make the decision quickly, so what does that really tell a buyer? It doesn't tell you they knew the car and the owner, it tells you they were able to sell a new car, take a quick look at the trade in and buy it at a price where they hope they can resell it at a positive margin.
In addition to trying understand the vehicle, I also look at the seller. I look for sellers that have a dealership and a very high ~100% feedback rating. this car's dealer has a 100% feedback rating. The Mercedes seller had a 98.9% rating, also on hundreds of sales. (I remember one of the two negatives coming from someone who bought a used Jaguar and claimed it was a lemon. I thought their complaint was the definition of a used Jaguar).
My rationale on this is twofold, first if I buy from a local dealer and I have a problem, I have no public manner of recourse. I could get completely screwed over and the local dealer's actions would never be known. With a high rated eBay seller they want to maintain their high rating and will work hard with the buyer to fix a problem. Once negative feedback is out, there it lasts forever for every potential buyer to see. While the description of the negative strike drops off over time, but the strike remains. I feel this is better than with a local dealer.
My second reason for being comfortable in buying a car I have not driven is exactly based on the who in their right mind would buy a car they have never driver? type of thinking. This is exactly what dealers do at auctions. The car sitting on the lot, even if a local car, may very well have come in from another dealer through the auction. They will always verbally say it was a trade, but you never know. If they buy a car with problems, they still need to sell it. So essentially I am buying the car in the same manner as the dealer that is selling the car locally.
Also, even if the car came in on trade in, the dealer has to make the decision quickly, so what does that really tell a buyer? It doesn't tell you they knew the car and the owner, it tells you they were able to sell a new car, take a quick look at the trade in and buy it at a price where they hope they can resell it at a positive margin.
1) Buying a used car sight unseen isn't like buying a pair of shoes . this is not a small purchase .
2) The seller didn't lie to you according to this thread They handed you the DME .
3) Also to buy a car there are contractual agreements which you will sign with them.
It sounds like they are covered .
4) Your claim to fame is the effect of a "public manner of recourse" with them ? Are you kidding ? First off do you think a seller of a high end cars doesn't have a legal represntative who will point at their contract with your signature to strike the claim and perhaps seek damages for libel ? Do you think that every car that rolls of a positive sellers lot is "perfect" and that negative claims just magically disappear ?
I am just in awe at this .
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Let me get this straight .... you found a car on ebay ,asked opinions about a DME on a public forum (page1), did an inspection , bought rhe car page 2 (before "eesh" BTW) , and hope that the sellers reputation is the final word if the car faces a snag ?
1) Buying a used car sight unseen isn't like buying a pair of shoes . this is not a small purchase .
2) The seller didn't lie to you according to this thread They handed you the DME .
3) Also to buy a car there are contractual agreements which you will sign with them.
It sounds like they are covered .
4) Your claim to fame is the effect of a "public manner of recourse" with them ? Are you kidding ? First off do you think a seller of a high end cars doesn't have a legal represntative who will point at their contract with your signature to strike the claim and perhaps seek damages for libel ? Do you think that every car that rolls of a positive sellers lot is "perfect" and that negative claims just magically disappear ?
I am just in awe at this .
1) Buying a used car sight unseen isn't like buying a pair of shoes . this is not a small purchase .
2) The seller didn't lie to you according to this thread They handed you the DME .
3) Also to buy a car there are contractual agreements which you will sign with them.
It sounds like they are covered .
4) Your claim to fame is the effect of a "public manner of recourse" with them ? Are you kidding ? First off do you think a seller of a high end cars doesn't have a legal represntative who will point at their contract with your signature to strike the claim and perhaps seek damages for libel ? Do you think that every car that rolls of a positive sellers lot is "perfect" and that negative claims just magically disappear ?
I am just in awe at this .
Don mentioned using the rep system to help solve a problem and you jump to contractural issues and libel suing.
Kind of like us dismissing DME scans and you having us all hammering our gears on every shift.
Don is correct. Many sellers work hard to keep their reps clean. It's another tool he can use should something happen.
It doesn't take much to shock you.
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This applies to any seller.
Don mentioned using the rep system to help solve a problem and you jump to contractural issues and libel suing.
Kind of like us dismissing DME scans and you having us all hammering our gears on every shift.
Don is correct. Many sellers work hard to keep their reps clean. It's another tool he can use should something happen.
It doesn't take much to shock you.
Don mentioned using the rep system to help solve a problem and you jump to contractural issues and libel suing.
Kind of like us dismissing DME scans and you having us all hammering our gears on every shift.
Don is correct. Many sellers work hard to keep their reps clean. It's another tool he can use should something happen.
It doesn't take much to shock you.
Is this a conclusion or simply the place where you got tired of thinking ?
His exact words were a "public manner of recourse" when they honestly gave him the information and signs their paperwork on a car that he's never driven or even seen in person .
Even if the engine fails they are covered . He has no recourse .
If he tries to fabricate a story to make a "public" spectacle in a sophomoric effort of tarnishing their reputatiobn .. they can seek legal action to strike his claim .
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a tracked car has many more overrevs. my range 1 has 20K ignitions, range 4 has 140 which was one single silly downshift. range 5-6 are clean, but overall for m96/m97 engines to go as far as 8500 rpms is pretty bad. their valves are not designed to sustain that for long. up to 8k rpm those engines will manage, 7500 is where softronic flash has it rev limiter compared to 7k stock.
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Is this a conclusion or simply the place where you got tired of thinking ?
His exact words were a "public manner of recourse" when they honestly gave him the information and signs their paperwork on a car that he's never driven or even seen in person .
Even if the engine fails they are covered . He has no recourse .
If he tries to fabricate a story to make a "public" spectacle in a sophomoric effort of tarnishing their reputatiobn .. they can seek legal action to strike his claim .
His exact words were a "public manner of recourse" when they honestly gave him the information and signs their paperwork on a car that he's never driven or even seen in person .
Even if the engine fails they are covered . He has no recourse .
If he tries to fabricate a story to make a "public" spectacle in a sophomoric effort of tarnishing their reputatiobn .. they can seek legal action to strike his claim .
And here you go jumping to more BS conclusions.
Don,
Get the warranty and enjoy your car. It's a smart move.