I insisted on a PPI that included a DME scan. I looked at the scan and understood it enough (fortunately it was a pretty obvious clean DME) that it made the decision easy for me to buy my car (of course factoring everything else like the rest of the PPI report, talking to the Porsche tech that did the PPI, visually inspecting the car, paint scan, Car Fax, etc.).

 

Yes...my apologies...I thought you did but asked since its been moving pretty fast here and there are lots of other threads.


...Seriously? You're going to take an argument about how to buy a car and make these types of comments?...

My comments have to do with showing at least a little respect to others who don't follow your advice. I pointed it out. When I did I got the SOS I would get as if I was pointing out that a ding of a car was no big deal.


Anyway,

Best of luck to Don.. You bought a beauty.

 

I may not be in "the majority of the people", but I did answer to walk from the car, and I did review my DME scan before purchasing my car.

Again, perhaps not the majority, but since you asked, my answer is for one individual.

 

With 13K miles on the Turbo and 7800 on the 997S that's an average of 3-4K per year . That is not a garage queen .

Who says i don't enjoy the car ? You ? How woild you know ? You don't know me or my cars .

But if you think that I will endorse thde idea of hammering an engine then you are wrong . If your view of "skilled driving" is blowing through gears and could care less about resale then good for you .


The original poster has bought the car and i wished him well despite my views on that DME question .. (BTW he asked for opinions) .

At least three posters pointed out to him that Porsche could deny a warranty engine claim . He never even mentioned whether he drove or inspected the car in person.

I don't know why you persist . No one cares if you love your over revs Buckwheat !!

 

I can't wait to read ahead .
Predicting that he will apologisze but won't delete the post .

Why would you think a moderator didn't read the thread ?
Because he pointed out a fact that didn't jive with your view ?

 

Joe --The beginning of the thread was a majority opinion until a drama campapaign called them "cheerleaders" and criticized anyone who doesn't hammer the engine as somehow "not enjoying" what coild have been a "perfectly good" car (with over revs. )

 

Yes, the majority of the people did say walk, and as I said many seem affraid to go against the grain, hence the cheerleader comment. I don't recall saying that people that don't hammer on their car aren't enjoying them. As stated, people that don't have an over rev personal scenario have no facts to support their opinion to walk, run, or even eesh from this car. I and others have examples that have more over revs then this and are throwing their opinion in based on actual results.

It is obvious that regardless of what anyone that has real results says you refuse to accept that this over rev results is nothing to have a 9 page thread on. As I said a few times, a Porsche that is driven, harder or not is going to be less problematic then on that is being preserved for who knows what reason. These aren't collector vehicles, they are excellent vehicles, that are meant to be driven. Go to your local track, look at what these cars go through and watch them carry on for years to come, then look at this DME results and perhaps you will say "eesh, no big deal".

 

Somewhere on this thread someone mentioned another Porsche forum . Since I have not ever posted there I was curious to see if any posts were written on range 5 over revs . I welcomed the idea that my opinions were absent .

Since North Van's claim was that "rolling cars" on the track have plenty I looked at the Gt2/Gt3 section .
The overwhelming majority shared the same general avoidance of the car .
I won't place an active link to the forum but woild like to quote one of the posts.

Quoted from the thread -- below .

From the tech info of PIWIS


..
Rev range 5:
⇒ Maximum permitted engine speed very clearly exceeded; engine damage very probable.
Rev range 6:
⇒ Engine damage has generally occurred.

 

It goes without saying most buyers that are aware of the range counters would prefer to buy a used porsche without any spikes, particularly from range 3 upward. Price and the warranty being offered would be absolute key deciders. Porsche will wipe warranty and goodwill if they find a 4 or higher spike so if your buying a car that has seen spikes in those ranges it'd be best to be buying from an official Dealer with P warranty.

 

But that is what this entire thread is about . He bought a car with recorded levels 3, 4 , and 5 over rev despite all the posters who tried to explain . See page 1 and 2 of the thread .

 

OK you got me. To be perfectly honest i'll have to plead ignorance here. I initially posted after reading KK motos post on page 1, then linking my earlier thread showing the inaccuracy of the counters to help the OP rationalize his decision unaware he had already made it a few pages on. I guess next time i should read 7 pages first. Knowing what little money you guys pay for a used 997 i thought to myself why be so unrealistic with your expectations mindful so many of these cars do DE's therefore are bound to wind up with some level of spikes by the time they hit the second hand market. After posting i then noticed there was a fair old tussle going on . Yrallis1 I don't back away from saying one should be realistic in their expectations when buying a use Porsche... especially for only @$50k thereabouts. If over revs are an issue at those $ then for gods sakes just go buy a new one and be done with it. What do you guys have to pay for a newy? 80/90K? Out here 50k wouldn't buy us Aussies a decent Toyota SUV least of all a nicely optioned Porsche 997 with a few range spikes. Hell for 50/60k even i'd buy one without a second thought...even without warranty. Sorry if i'm coming across as blasé but just come over here and pay our prices and then beat me over the head with a stick (not that you have) .

 

lots of info with this thread......thx guys, seriously

 

Over the last 5 years there has been lots of discussion re over revs...however, I don't ever remember reading about range 5 or range 6 engine damage being reported. Not that damage hasn't occurred but has anyone ever reported such an occurrence?? "Very probable" and "generally occurred" are not very specific - I'd like to hear about "actual".

 

This ia a good point.

It's like when I read that IMS failure is only on 2005 and earlier 911's. And I have personally witnessed an 06 also getting a new engine while mine was in the shop.

Perception becomes reality.

 

I insisted on a DME with the PPI as well. I do know someone that overreved their car and BOOM - engine was gone with a stage 6. I think this applies more on the track where driving is more aggressive (this happened on the track with a missed shift) and missed shifts have bigger ramifications. Enough said on the subject, but I do know a reall life example of this being a problem. To each his own when looking a car over for purchase.