Signed up for an event at Willow Springs Intl Raceway.

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...st-2012-a.html

should be a blast !

the sponsor (VetteFish) stated "All convertibles need a roll bar or another form of roll over protection. "

i m pretty sure WS allow convertibles with built-in roll protection (like the 997) but just wanted to make sure before i drive 2hrs to get there.

does anyone have experience at Willow Springs & 997 Cab ?

thx in adv

 

I would think they mean roll bar. not a suspension mode.

 

FYI: the sponsor emailed me to let me know i am good to go on the track.

i love my cab even more now ! lol

 

Has anyone taken a 997 targa to a track? Planning on going to Motorsport Ranch. I was there with my previous car, 996 coupe. Tons of fun. I know there is a compromise with the extra weight of the targa.

 

SO the stock pop-up "roll over hoops?" are good enough for the track?

 

It isn't the track management that decides these things. Over a ridiculously wide range, track managers really don't care. The sanctioning body is who makes the rules.

That private rental of Streets of Willow may be following the lead of more formal organizations like the Porsche Club of America or the Porsche Owners Club. My preference is PCA so I don't really know the POC rule book, although I have glanced at their rules and they're quite similar.

The underlying philosophy is that stock cars -- truly as-it-came-from-the-factory stock -- are safe with the manufacturer's own features. Modifications are presumed to be made to get more performance so additional safety equipment is required the more modified the car is. I've never read this in a PCA publication, but a secondary consideration for an old-timer is my observation over the years that cars and drivers are more likely to have problems the deeper they get into modifications, so the requirement of extra safety equipment is justified as a desirable sobering influence as well as that underlying sound assumption about more performance needs more protection.

In PCA, any of the open cars are acceptable on track with only the original roll-over protection so long as the total modification points are under ... 400, is the limit I'm pretty sure. Just don't ask me to explain exactly how many mods that takes.

Gary

 

In NJ the policies are set by the state and are enforced by the State police.

http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/info/pdf...egulations.pdf

 

The other question to ask is whether you feel safe on the track in a cab. I've thought about tracking my cab, but decided to defer that for a while, sticking with a hardtop for now. Speeds well over 100 mph are no joke ...

 

Aha! So in New Jersey the state is the sanctioning body!

Seriously, that's an interesting tidbit I never heard before. Thanks, Buckwheat. I checked a couple of rules and they read very much like the PCA rules except that the state defers to the sanctioning body in several areas that PCA makes specific of course. A wise choice of legislative style since legislative rule-making is notoriously lethargic. Basically, they are more lax than our PCA rules but since they deal with situations like that unsanctioned 'private' event that started this thread, they do add some general social good.

Of course, the important point is that a significant chunk of that document relates to licensing requirements for the track operator. I didn't find a specific enabling clause, but by inference it is the 'licensee', the track operator, who is made responsible for ensuring the regulations on drivers and equipment and event operations are followed. That would be completely impractical at most California tracks so it suggests either 1) New Jersey courts accept some minimal good-faith effort on the part of the track operator and look to the organizers for the rest of the compliance effort; or 2) the social/financial culture of speed events is completely different in New Jersey.

Any idea which? For comparison purposes, at Willow Springs, we pay ten dollars a head, the same as entering to watch races, and we sign an omnibus release of the track owners from all responsibility that includes -- if memory serves -- a general release and acknowledgment that no ambulance or EMT service is available, bleachers cause splinter-butt, and jumping off telephone poles is an activity known to cause great bodily injury. Something like that.

By no means could ten dollars cover even the liability cost if the track operator were legally responsible for the way we conduct our event.

Gary