997 2005-2012 911 C2, C2S, C4, C4S, GTS, Targa and Cabriolet Model Discussion.
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: CARiD

rubbing noise when wheel cranked and gas

Old Apr 7, 2012 | 09:22 AM
  #1  
dang503's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 16
From: Portland
Rep Power: 0
dang503 is infamous around these parts
rubbing noise when wheel cranked and gas

Not sure if anyone else experiences this. My friend with the same porsche does not.

If I have my wheel cranked all the way (say I'm backing out of the drive way) and I am giving it a little gas, I hear what sounds like a rubbing noise, and feels like a rubbing noise.

I don't hear or feel it if it's cranked, rolling but with no gas.

I have a '09 c4s, stock wheels/tires.

I'm thinking of taking it in to ask the dealer.
 
Old Apr 7, 2012 | 09:29 AM
  #2  
RaidersR1's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,039
From: Brentwood, CA
Rep Power: 61
RaidersR1 is a glorious beacon of lightRaidersR1 is a glorious beacon of lightRaidersR1 is a glorious beacon of lightRaidersR1 is a glorious beacon of lightRaidersR1 is a glorious beacon of lightRaidersR1 is a glorious beacon of light
I have the same sound sometimes. I was concerned about it because it only happens when I'm backing up and fully cranked on the wheel. My Brother in Law has a Boxster and he says he's does it too. He told me not to worry about it...and I haven't really paid attention to it...however I tend to not crank the wheel so far over, unless really necessary.
 
Old Apr 7, 2012 | 12:11 PM
  #3  
Gpjli's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,352
From: long island
Rep Power: 87
Gpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud of
Short turning radius, no steering stops. If you exceed the turn radius at low speed you will drag the tires. Feel the steering don't manhandle it.
 
Old Apr 7, 2012 | 06:52 PM
  #4  
mxt_77's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 40
From: Wylie, TX
Rep Power: 18
mxt_77 is infamous around these parts
I don't know the answer to this question, but I experience the same thing. I also experienced it on a loaner Boxster that I drove. Once, when I felt it (backing out of my driveway with the steering cranked), I actually stopped the car and got out to try and feel what might be rubbing, but I couldn't find anything.

Now that I put some actual thought into it (and since you mentioned that it only happens under throttle), I can't help but wonder if it might be PSM doing something funky, since the wheels will be rotating and different speeds when you've got that much input in the steering wheel. Maybe PSM is mistaking this as wheel slippage and kicking in the ABS?
 
Old Apr 7, 2012 | 08:41 PM
  #5  
denversteve's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,962
From: Colorado / L.A.
Rep Power: 116
denversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by RaidersR1
.... however I tend to not crank the wheel so far over, unless really necessary.
There's never a reason to "crank" the wheel all the way. Many vehicles have issues when fully cranked. Just ... don't do it.
 
Old Apr 7, 2012 | 08:56 PM
  #6  
ioman's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 37
From: Portland OR
Rep Power: 16
ioman is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by denversteve
There's never a reason to "crank" the wheel all the way. Many vehicles have issues when fully cranked. Just ... don't do it.
What vehicles have issues if you turn the wheels all the way? This simply isn't true.
 
Old Apr 7, 2012 | 08:58 PM
  #7  
denversteve's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,962
From: Colorado / L.A.
Rep Power: 116
denversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond reputedenversteve has a reputation beyond repute
Originally Posted by ioman
What vehicles have issues if you turn the wheels all the way? This simply isn't true.
Of course there are..... read post #2.
 
Old Apr 7, 2012 | 10:49 PM
  #8  
dang503's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 16
From: Portland
Rep Power: 0
dang503 is infamous around these parts
I've never owned a car that exhibited this behavior. Cranking a wheel can be pretty common. For example, when parallel parking, backing out or doing a u-turn.

As for the PSM theory, this sounds almost like what I was thinking, which was that the car was confused as to what type of power to provide as it's 4 wheel drive, but I'm not sure.
 
Old Apr 8, 2012 | 10:12 AM
  #9  
ioman's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Feb 2012
Posts: 37
From: Portland OR
Rep Power: 16
ioman is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by denversteve
Of course there are..... read post #2.
My 997 doesn't do this. Sounds like a bad design by Porsche.....
 
Old Apr 8, 2012 | 10:47 AM
  #10  
Gpjli's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,352
From: long island
Rep Power: 87
Gpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud of
Originally Posted by dang503
I've never owned a car that exhibited this behavior. Cranking a wheel can be pretty common. For example, when parallel parking, backing out or doing a u-turn.

As for the PSM theory, this sounds almost like what I was thinking, which was that the car was confused as to what type of power to provide as it's 4 wheel drive, but I'm not sure.
Maybe I wasn't very clear. It is the price paid for a fast rack, no steering stops, wide tires and short turning radius. Next time you hear it stop, straighten the wheel a bit. You are creating what is called understeer or push at road speed. The tires are slipping not cleanly rolling. You can feel the wheels on the road through the steering and sense when you have too much lock. Adjust the driver or blame the car. This is not a fault.
 

Last edited by Gpjli; Apr 8, 2012 at 10:55 AM.
Old Apr 9, 2012 | 10:47 PM
  #11  
dang503's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 16
From: Portland
Rep Power: 0
dang503 is infamous around these parts
Ok, back to my original question: is it normal? It seems some people have the same problem, and others do not. Isn't a bit weird to have inconsistencies like that? I have no problem adjusting my driving. What I was more worried about was that something was wrong with the car.
 
Old Apr 10, 2012 | 06:06 AM
  #12  
Dadio's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,342
From: USA
Rep Power: 104
Dadio has a reputation beyond reputeDadio has a reputation beyond reputeDadio has a reputation beyond reputeDadio has a reputation beyond reputeDadio has a reputation beyond reputeDadio has a reputation beyond reputeDadio has a reputation beyond reputeDadio has a reputation beyond reputeDadio has a reputation beyond reputeDadio has a reputation beyond reputeDadio has a reputation beyond repute
If the tires are rubbing against the wheel well or inner fender there should be evidence of it. Otherwse it's as Gpali indicates in his second post for the reasons her states and normal for these cars. As an aside, stop " cranking the wheel ". It causes unnecessary stress on the steering system parts and no matter how hard you "crank" will not increase your turning radius.
 
Old Apr 10, 2012 | 11:23 AM
  #13  
Gpjli's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,352
From: long island
Rep Power: 87
Gpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud ofGpjli has much to be proud of
Originally Posted by dang503
Ok, back to my original question: is it normal? It seems some people have the same problem, and others do not. Isn't a bit weird to have inconsistencies like that? I have no problem adjusting my driving. What I was more worried about was that something was wrong with the car.
OK. If you had searched it before you posted you would have seen more on this topic. Peeps who "crank" the steering without much of a feel for what is going on will have this more than those with a developed sense of mechanical sympathy. There is nothing wrong w your car. It is a Porsche and comes w a learning curve. Much of what makes it different is the light front end (rear engine and all that) and the resulting communicative steering. I have gone thru the same experience as have many others. With the car stopped turn the wheel all the way. Now give it gas gently. You will feel the resistance from the tires as they resist sliding across their tread. They are at an extreme angle to the road. If you give more gas the tires will slide and hop and scrape on the road and the suspension will move around in response. Depending on the road surface and the temps it will vary in degree. Now steer out of it a bit and you will feel the car move off freely. Once you feel it you will understand. Most cars have "stops" on the steering to limit the drivers input for this reason. You have a Porsche Enjoy your car.
 
Old Apr 11, 2012 | 03:42 PM
  #14  
dang503's Avatar
Thread Starter
|
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 16
From: Portland
Rep Power: 0
dang503 is infamous around these parts
Thanks all.

Just to be clear, I am not constantly cranking the wheel all the way every time I turn. I had noticed it when I first got the car andmade adjustments immediately to make sure I don't get that akward feeling of jumping/rubbing from the tires when backing up/parking/etc.

I just wanted to make sure nothing weird was going on with the car itself, as I bought it used.
 
Old Apr 11, 2012 | 07:43 PM
  #15  
mxt_77's Avatar
Registered User
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 40
From: Wylie, TX
Rep Power: 18
mxt_77 is infamous around these parts
Originally Posted by Gpjli
You are creating what is called understeer or push at road speed.
I'm pretty sure the OP is not talking about understeer. I think he's referring to the sounds a tire makes when rubbing on suspension parts or fenders.

OP: Can you clarify? How fast are you going when you notice this sound? Is it from taking a corner too fast so that the front tires lose grip and scrub across the pavement, or is it happening at low speeds and sound like something rubbing/buzzing?
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
eclip5e
Automobiles For Sale
6
Jul 29, 2019 11:13 AM
BlackMarketRacing
996 Turbo / GT2
37
Dec 8, 2015 01:49 PM
vividracing
Mercedes / AMG
1
Sep 1, 2015 03:16 PM
The Oss
Automobiles For Sale
2
Aug 24, 2015 08:19 PM
Zero911
997 Turbo / GT2
4
Aug 24, 2015 06:51 PM


Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:
You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:53 AM.