So we know that the GTS (2 and 4) have the big hips and wider front track, Turbo front bumper, X51 powerkit and Alcantara, but I'm interested to know what other parts make the GTS different than the C4S.

Since it now seems that Porsche markets the GTS as a special performance product (as seen with Cayenne and Panamera GTS) Porsche would be better served to make something similar to BMW's M division. Then you can have GTS parts, GTS complete cars, or GTS packages as options. But I wonder just what "special" parts are actually bolted on? Suspension? Brakes? Cupholders?

 

You hit the big ones. Also pse is standard. And some cosmetic bits externally.
I don't quite get the comparison to bmw M division. The comparable Pcar division, if they have one, would be the gt cars which are made more for the track. Gt3, gt3 rs, gt 2, and the 4.0 car, whatever that was called. The gts cars are simply a nice option group....when I priced out a c2s comparably equipped it was about 7 or 10g more as I remember.

 

Wrong, the gts is a widebodylike c4s. but has the aero front bumper, not wider front track, not power kit

 

Um...yes, the GTS does have the Powerkit (408 v 385 HP).

 

the only differences in the 3.8 dfi engine is the resonance tuned induction (intake) and ecu program

 

"It takes the wider track and shell of the four-wheel-drive Carrera 4S but drives the rear wheels only. The 3.8-litre engine has the power kit installed, so it has six per cent more power than a Carrera S (now 402bhp), produced slightly further up the rev range (now 7300rpm). There’s a 4.6 per cent more torque, too (at 310lb ft), and its peak is available slightly earlier, at 4200rpm. The sports exhaust system comes as standard, incidentally.

The wider track (by 2mm at the front and 32mm at the rear) has allowed some suspension reprofiling, so you get stiffer springs and anti-roll bars. The 19in rear tyres are wider too, at 305/30. Porsche claims the GTS is “more neutral” than the Carrera S."

"Porsche engineers credit the bulk of the 3.8’s 23-hp increase to a variable-resonance intake manifold. It utilizes six vacuum-controlled flaps that alter the air’s path to the cylinders at different rpm, optimizing torque and power. A carbon-fiber airbox, ported and polished cylinder heads, a sport exhaust, and a remapped ECU round out the changes."

 

My thought was that the M cars (of which I have owned a couple) are not All GT2's or 3s, but higher performance version of standard cars, with some nice extras. They do it at every level, from the 1M to the SUV's.

BMW does a great job of using the M name for special extras on their cars.

Example, you can by an M3 which gets the full treatment, or an M-Sport 335 with special interior, some M suspension parts, higher rev-limits and top speed, and a more aggressive body kit.

All I was saying is that Porsche does make special parts, but they don't have a succinct marketing plan to name or promote them. They have started to use the GTS name to define these editions, but not with any clarity of what GTS brings with the badge.

 

OKB, I'm sure you know your stuff, but your brevity comes off as arrogance, which isn't helping your credibility much.

 

you get a gts emblem on the side and back.

i don't get your m division comparison either. its marketing mumbo jumbo. they slap the ///M logo on parts they already make and charge you a premium. porsche makes enough variants of each car with a plethora of options that you can get the exact car you want. you don't need some special division to tell you that your car is extra ordinary.

gts' aren't even top of the line porsches so to make special gts parts or packages would be dumb. your gts is an example of porsche raiding the parts bin so they could come up with a "new" model to sell for a year or two before the 991's came out.

 

No carbon fiber airbox on the GTS.

 

Dont contradict him when hes off his medication

 

I agree on all points. It's all marking mumbo jumbo. We know the GTS is a parts bin special. More special than an C2S or C4S, and the highest level of non-turbo "daily drivable" 997's (I don't consider the GT3 a car to park on the street/parking lot everyday.

When Porsche decided to make a Cayman and Panamera GTS, they positioned it above everything else aside from the Turbo. I think this is a strategy to create a Base, S, GTS hierarchy.

As for the M division, I was only explaining how BMW does it differently. I don't really care what "special" parts are called, it's just nice to know which parts are changed/uprated when you move up the model chain. Porsche does a poor job explaining what changes occur between variants.