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Old May 19, 2007 | 03:58 PM
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MSRP is just a suggested price and not what the dealer pays so discounts are available. Mass believe the stories they are real. Deals can be had because dealers look at their volume out the door too.

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Old May 19, 2007 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by mass
I think you missed the point. Maybe things are different in CA, but every dealer I went to stated nothing off new orders and a couple grand of cars on the lot. Now, I'm sure that number is somewhat flexible. But, to say its flexible to the tune of an additional 6k, is absurd. So either the dealers are all lying or people aren't comparing apples to apples when they get their car.

Give me the name of a dealer who will give 5K of a made to order car. To me that is absurd. The dealer has no incentive to give that big of a discount on a made to order car. It is the same with BMW and Mercedes as well.
I gave you a dealer and contact info in my post...you will have to pay for shipping but I still netted 6k off of MSRP on a made to order car...(been enjoying her for 3 mos. now).

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I think you missed the point. Maybe things are different in CA, but every dealer I went to stated nothing off new orders and a couple grand of cars on the lot. Now, I'm sure that number is somewhat flexible. But, to say its flexible to the tune of an additional 6k, is absurd. So either the dealers are all lying or people aren't comparing apples to apples when they get their car.

Give me the name of a dealer who will give 5K of a made to order car. To me that is absurd. The dealer has no incentive to give that big of a discount on a made to order car. It is the same with BMW and Mercedes as well.
what point was missed? the only point i got is that you're calling a bunch of us liars.
 
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Mass....several of us have tried to help you, but I'm starting to think you are a complete dumbass. Several of us have tried to point you in the direction of dealers WHO WILL GIVE YOU A DISCOUNT. Someone else got 8% from N. Olmstead. They offered me $5k off a 07 C2S order right off the bat without any negotiating. I got slightly more from my local dealer on an 07 custom order.

So you asked for information and got it. If you're going to call us liars, then call up Porsche of N. Olmstead and ask for Chris Sanner or call up Jeff Rapoport from Hennessy and prove us wrong - or just STFU.
 
Old May 19, 2007 | 09:37 PM
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Mass....several of us have tried to help you, but I'm starting to think you are a complete dumbass. Several of us have tried to point you in the direction of dealers WHO WILL GIVE YOU A DISCOUNT. Someone else got 8% from N. Olmstead. They offered me $5k off a 07 C2S order right off the bat without any negotiating. I got slightly more from my local dealer on an 07 custom order.

So you asked for information and got it. If you're going to call us liars, then call up Porsche of N. Olmstead and ask for Chris Sanner or call up Jeff Rapoport from Hennessy and prove us wrong - or just STFU.
Unfortunate that in one post you're calm and considerate and in the next you're a whiny little *****. I didn't call anyone a liar. I believe that you got your discount; I guess I wasn't as fortunate.
 
Old May 19, 2007 | 11:26 PM
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Unfortunate that in one post you're calm and considerate and in the next you're a whiny little *****. I didn't call anyone a liar. I believe that you got your discount; I guess I wasn't as fortunate.
Unfortunately you are probably ordering the worse time of the year...before summer. My car was a late Feb. delivery when Ohio was buried in 6ft. of snow....As everything in life..."timing".
 
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I got mine, 06 997S tip in Aug/06, according to the dealer, this is the last 997S tip silver in entire CA, and MSRP was $97K, I got $10K off. I drove 100miles to pick up the car, but it worths it. This is true, and yes, I have talked to other dealer in LA like downtown LA, BHP, McKenna, and they will not offer this type of discount. I guess it is the chemistry whether the sales person you talked to think you are serious, then they will follow up with you in the next week or so. It also depends on how you talk to them when asking for discount. some people said car buying is art of negotiation.
 
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I think it's so easy for people to come and say they got 234234234 off a new car. Maybe the dealer paid you to take the care off their hands. It's just like gambling: people love to brag about the 100 dollars they made in 2 minutes, but quickly forget the 2342342344 they lost in 6 seconds. Anyone here who claims they get 7-9% on a new car is ridiculous. Any REAL dealers out there: Can you guys confirm how much you give as a discount.

this guy is just upset he doesnt know how to get a deal done..ive owned porsches, bimmers, lexus etc..never paid msrp..never will

buy the first tubo off the lot and ofcourse you will pay full freight..next year you will get nice discounts on turbos too..porsche is turning into a mass producer - its not a limited 6k output ferrari...porsche wants to sell lots more cars - to do that they will sacrifice margins.
 
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Originally Posted by mass
Give me the name of a dealer who will give 5K of a made to order car. To me that is absurd. The dealer has no incentive to give that big of a discount on a made to order car. It is the same with BMW and Mercedes as well.
when is the last time you bought any of those cars ??? BMW & BENZ & Porsche. Discounts are readily available. But you have to do your homework and make them work for their money. Just walking into a dealership won't do. Holla at me if you need some discounts (PM me) & I will hook you up.
 
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Originally Posted by mass
Unfortunate that in one post you're calm and considerate and in the next you're a whiny little *****. I didn't call anyone a liar. I believe that you got your discount; I guess I wasn't as fortunate.
Oh, really?

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Anyone here who claims they get 7-9% on a new car is ridiculous.
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Now, I'm sure that number is somewhat flexible. But, to say its flexible to the tune of an additional 6k, is absurd.
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So either the dealers are all lying or people aren't comparing apples to apples when they get their car.
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Give me the name of a dealer who will give 5K of a made to order car. To me that is absurd.
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I didn't call anyone a liar.
We said we got 7-9%. You said we are ridiculous. You said we are absurd. You said we are liars. You asked for a dealer (we gave you 2) and you called us absurd. Then you claim you didn't call us liars.

That's the problem with opening your mouth on the internet - you can't go back and claim you didn't say something. We got discounts and even told you where and how you could get one too. Yet you go on whining about how you've been to lots of dealers and can't get one.

Who's the whiny ***** now?

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Unfortunately you are probably ordering the worse time of the year...before summer. My car was a late Feb. delivery when Ohio was buried in 6ft. of snow....As everything in life..."timing".
Summer IS tougher, but not impossible. I ordered my '07 in May of '06 and took a $5500 discount on a custom order with no deposit. They pushed to make sure I got it as early as possible and it arrived (as best I've been able to tell) ahead of any other US '07.

Its all about relationships. If you walk in off the street you may or may not get a fabulous deal. If you get to know the dealer and they believe you are a potential repeat customer, they will work hard to earn (and keep) your business. This obviously does not apply to all dealers, but the best will. My dealer came in #2 last year behind mega-dealer Championship.
 

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Old May 22, 2007 | 07:38 AM
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JohnnyD - I would agree that some (not all) CA dealers have shown to be more reluctant to give discounts to first-time buyers (from their dealership). You are 100% right that IF you want to buy local and IF your local dealer is not willing to deal, you won't get a discount - but those are IF's that can be worked around.

There are dealers in CA who have offered significant discounts. I don't have the names handy, but if you search the 997 forum on Rennlist for threads by me, you'll see a very long one discussing discounts. I collected information on what the discount was and where people got them - they were all over the country. It would be a simple matter to find 3-5 people who got discounts in CA and contact their dealer.

The second workaround would be to order remotely, and have local service done. Porsche of North Olmsted (Ohio) and Hennessy Porsche (Georgia) are both very experienced with selling to remote clients and shipping the cars. They both offer significant discounts.

So while I agree with your logic about buying local, I disagree with your inference that choosing local is the only choice to buyers. In the situation where there was no local dealer willing to deal, I guess the choice would be local vs. discount and each person would have to make that choice.

The last point I'd like to take to task is the implication that we belittled anyone due to their inability to get a discount. I can't speak for anyone else, but the only problem I had was the OP suggesting that those of us who got discounts on new orders were somehow lying or overinflating our deals. I think its pretty obvious that he questioned what we said, and that certainly reduces my desire to provide any help.
 
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JohnnyD - I would agree that some (not all) CA dealers have shown to be more reluctant to give discounts to first-time buyers (from their dealership). You are 100% right that IF you want to buy local and IF your local dealer is not willing to deal, you won't get a discount - but those are IF's that can be worked around.

There are dealers in CA who have offered significant discounts. I don't have the names handy, but if you search the 997 forum on Rennlist for threads by me, you'll see a very long one discussing discounts. I collected information on what the discount was and where people got them - they were all over the country. It would be a simple matter to find 3-5 people who got discounts in CA and contact their dealer.

The second workaround would be to order remotely, and have local service done. Porsche of North Olmsted (Ohio) and Hennessy Porsche (Georgia) are both very experienced with selling to remote clients and shipping the cars. They both offer significant discounts.

So while I agree with your logic about buying local, I disagree with your inference that choosing local is the only choice to buyers. In the situation where there was no local dealer willing to deal, I guess the choice would be local vs. discount and each person would have to make that choice.

The last point I'd like to take to task is the implication that we belittled anyone due to their inability to get a discount. I can't speak for anyone else, but the only problem I had was the OP suggesting that those of us who got discounts on new orders were somehow lying or overinflating our deals. I think its pretty obvious that he questioned what we said, and that certainly reduces my desire to provide any help.
My next thread will not be so inflamatory; I was just looking for other people's advice.
 
Old May 22, 2007 | 10:42 AM
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Mass,
You asked for people's help and we offered it to you and instead of graciously accepting information from other members you reply as if you are being told fallacies. I am one of those as well trying to tell you the discounts available especially since the face lifted 08's will be here shortly. One of our sponsors Gossett Porsche even had a few left over 06's on their website for 10k off and that's before you negotiate.
If you ask for help then act the way you have I will bet money your time here will be short lived.
 
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Wow I just went back an re-read all your posts Mass,
This seems like 100% the case of you only got 3k off and now you must be pissed that there were better deals to be found, anyway if your intent was for you to make a thread to make your self look like an a-hole I think you succeeded, congrats.
 

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Oh, really?






We said we got 7-9%. You said we are ridiculous. You said we are absurd. You said we are liars. You asked for a dealer (we gave you 2) and you called us absurd. Then you claim you didn't call us liars.

That's the problem with opening your mouth on the internet - you can't go back and claim you didn't say something. We got discounts and even told you where and how you could get one too. Yet you go on whining about how you've been to lots of dealers and can't get one.

Who's the whiny ***** now?

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Yes, you are the best deal maker on the planet. People bow to the guy in GA. When the dealership sees you coming, they cower bc they know they will be giving a car away to you, bc you are a super customer and the dealer doesn't need to make a profit on you. In fact, it's a not for profit dealer, right? All of this could have been avoided, but once you decided to act like a dumb ***, you're going to be treated like one.

You got a great deal; I paid more than you. Let's just leave it at that.
 


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