ACR runs a 7.22 at the Ring!
Still very impressive considering it ran 4 seconds faster thats almost 1 million car lengnths
Just give up trying to make excuses. The ACR came to handle business and it did just that. The whole user friendly thing is retarded and doesn't matter and definitely isn't going to change any lap times or records set...
Yes I could not agree with you more on that. Dont get me wrong if it was up me I would rather get A ZO6 and make my own ZR1 but you have to give Dodge they did amazing job on the ACR especially comparing it to the old ACRS. I would probably have to have both of them.
Absolute Fact! The 08 Viper and the 08 ACR are plenty comfortable to drive every day.
and again the Viper was very impressive and took every body buy surprise which is what dodge wanted.
Daily driver, wth?
So tired of this daily driver ****!
I mean few Viper owners drive their cars to work and such, most of us have OTHER cars to beat on.
For that matter WHO would ever drive the ZR1 daily either??? These cars will go to Corvette affectionados, collectors and racers, and will be out of reach for the average Joe due to low numbers...
Let's give the Viper its due credit - it just rocks and once and for all we owners DON'T WANT all the Corvette-type amenities.
Note:
For the first time, last weekend I went to a Chevy showroom and actually sat in a new Vette, OMG.... it's like a luxury car, the seat has lumbar and moves every which way... not for me, not for my weekend toy. They got the car right tho - it appeals to the masses..good for Chevy.
Back on topic - the ACR smokes the ZR1 ...
I mean few Viper owners drive their cars to work and such, most of us have OTHER cars to beat on.
For that matter WHO would ever drive the ZR1 daily either??? These cars will go to Corvette affectionados, collectors and racers, and will be out of reach for the average Joe due to low numbers...
Let's give the Viper its due credit - it just rocks and once and for all we owners DON'T WANT all the Corvette-type amenities.
Note:
For the first time, last weekend I went to a Chevy showroom and actually sat in a new Vette, OMG.... it's like a luxury car, the seat has lumbar and moves every which way... not for me, not for my weekend toy. They got the car right tho - it appeals to the masses..good for Chevy.
Back on topic - the ACR smokes the ZR1 ...
I drive my Viper to work on any nice day. My 911s are not really street legal and I hate driving a truck around, even the Toaureg is a truck.
The Viper makes me start out the day with a smile
And every now and then I get to PUNCH IT and really smile.
The Viper makes me start out the day with a smile

And every now and then I get to PUNCH IT and really smile.
Not knocking the Viper, but....
remove some weight and add all the aero stuff and super sticky tires to the ZR1 and then see. Not to mention GM used an engineer to drive, they need to stick a C6R driver in there.
Why are some Viper drivers so defensive? ThIs iS thE InTERneT.
remove some weight and add all the aero stuff and super sticky tires to the ZR1 and then see. Not to mention GM used an engineer to drive, they need to stick a C6R driver in there.
Why are some Viper drivers so defensive? ThIs iS thE InTERneT.
Not knocking the Viper, but....
remove some weight and add all the aero stuff and super sticky tires to the ZR1 and then see. Not to mention GM used an engineer to drive, they need to stick a C6R driver in there.
Why are some Viper drivers so defensive? ThIs iS thE InTERneT.
remove some weight and add all the aero stuff and super sticky tires to the ZR1 and then see. Not to mention GM used an engineer to drive, they need to stick a C6R driver in there.
Why are some Viper drivers so defensive? ThIs iS thE InTERneT.

LOL. You are responding as if the corvette ZR1 isn't already aerodynamic or something. And as far as the whole weight thing goes... The ACR outweighs the ZR1 by about 100 lbs so why would weight even matter in this case? Maybe GM should have added all the things you listed but they didn't so saying what they SHOULD HAVE and COULD HAVE done is pointless. Like I already stated, the times have been set and debating about what GM should have done won't help change anything at all. I don't really think the viper drivers are getting very defensive here either. They are just trying to get you to understand that there is NO EXCUSE. The ACR Viper took care of business and that is that. lol
Not knocking the Viper, but....
remove some weight and add all the aero stuff and super sticky tires to the ZR1 and then see. Not to mention GM used an engineer to drive, they need to stick a C6R driver in there.
Why are some Viper drivers so defensive? ThIs iS thE InTERneT.
remove some weight and add all the aero stuff and super sticky tires to the ZR1 and then see. Not to mention GM used an engineer to drive, they need to stick a C6R driver in there.
Why are some Viper drivers so defensive? ThIs iS thE InTERneT.

. As for GM using an engineer to drive excuse? Consider this:
1. ACR only had the track for 4 hours with only 3 days prep and only 4 laps run all tolled compared to the ZR1's countless months and laps of development.
2. Suspension tune clearly wasnt the best with all that bottoming out. Deffinately not a car designed on the Ring like the ZR1.
3. Gearing sucks for the Ring as evidenced by banging rev limiter being the fastest way around the track.
4. The downforce wasnt set to max.
5. 25 mph headwind that severely limited its top speed on the long straight.
Now with all that against it it still beat the ZR1 by 4 seconds. BTW anyone that can do 7:26 at the Ring is pro quality imho and no mare engineer.
Ok so I give you a C6r pilot for the ZR1. But to be fair lets:
1. REALLY SETUP THE ACR FOR THE RING
. Give it the same amount of development time on the Ring as the ZR1 lol. But in the quest of fairness you have to.2. Put Olivier Baretta in both since he has racing stints with both marques to take away the doubt factor.
See how crazy your line of reasoning takes the discussion? Stock to stock is the only thing relevant between these two. Trust me there will be modded ones out on the track then you MAY get your wish or not when a modded ZR1 faces off against a modded ACR. Apples to apples. I love em both and they both would kill most cars on a track but the ACR is the track king between the two.
Last edited by snakebitten; Sep 19, 2008 at 06:41 PM.
I dont own either car but do you realize how you sound? We are discussing stock to stock and now you want to mod the ZR1 while leaving the ACR stock
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As for GM using an engineer to drive excuse? Consider this:
1. ACR only had the track for 4 hours with only 3 days prep and only 4 laps run all tolled compared to the ZR1's countless months and laps of development.
2. Suspension tune clearly wasnt the best with all that bottoming out. Deffinately not a car designed on the Ring like the ZR1.
3. Gearing sucks for the Ring as evidenced by banging rev limiter being the fastest way around the track.
4. The downforce wasnt set to max.
5. 25 mph headwind that severely limited its top speed on the long straight.
Now with all that against it it still beat the ZR1 by 4 seconds. BTW anyone that can do 7:26 at the Ring is pro quality imho and no mare engineer.
Ok so I give you a C6r pilot for the ZR1. But to be fair lets:
1. REALLY SETUP THE ACR FOR THE RING
. Give it the same amount of development time on the Ring as the ZR1 lol. But in the quest of fairness you have to.
2. Put Olivier Baretta in both since he has racing stints with both marques to take away the doubt factor.
See how crazy your line of reasoning takes the discussion? Stock to stock is the only thing relevant between these two. Trust me there will be modded ones out on the track then you MAY get your wish or not when a modded ZR1 faces off against a modded ACR. Apples to apples. I love em both and they both would kill most cars on a track but the ACR is the track king between the two.
. As for GM using an engineer to drive excuse? Consider this:
1. ACR only had the track for 4 hours with only 3 days prep and only 4 laps run all tolled compared to the ZR1's countless months and laps of development.
2. Suspension tune clearly wasnt the best with all that bottoming out. Deffinately not a car designed on the Ring like the ZR1.
3. Gearing sucks for the Ring as evidenced by banging rev limiter being the fastest way around the track.
4. The downforce wasnt set to max.
5. 25 mph headwind that severely limited its top speed on the long straight.
Now with all that against it it still beat the ZR1 by 4 seconds. BTW anyone that can do 7:26 at the Ring is pro quality imho and no mare engineer.
Ok so I give you a C6r pilot for the ZR1. But to be fair lets:
1. REALLY SETUP THE ACR FOR THE RING
. Give it the same amount of development time on the Ring as the ZR1 lol. But in the quest of fairness you have to.2. Put Olivier Baretta in both since he has racing stints with both marques to take away the doubt factor.
See how crazy your line of reasoning takes the discussion? Stock to stock is the only thing relevant between these two. Trust me there will be modded ones out on the track then you MAY get your wish or not when a modded ZR1 faces off against a modded ACR. Apples to apples. I love em both and they both would kill most cars on a track but the ACR is the track king between the two.
Please feel free to clarify your points you made in the below quote if you wish.
Last edited by snakebitten; Sep 20, 2008 at 01:01 PM.




