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Old Dec 5, 2011 | 03:35 PM
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The white wagon is sweet. Nice choice.

My statement about the 11.9-12.1 runs by that group of V's was just to point out that there are FAR more cars capable of running those times, rather than just the two listed on some Cadillac forum that really isn't targeted to members who drag race. I'd venture to say that every auto trans CTS-V in excellent weather at a hooking track should run 11.9, and that it would be the norm in those conditions. The reality is that very few CTS-V owners go drag race their cars. I've owned mine since 2009 and i've never had it to the drag strip myself. I've got other cars that I prefer to go racing in, and I can't drive more than one car at a time.
 
Old Dec 5, 2011 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
The white wagon is sweet. Nice choice.

My statement about the 11.9-12.1 runs by that group of V's was just to point out that there are FAR more cars capable of running those times, rather than just the two listed on some Cadillac forum that really isn't targeted to members who drag race. I'd venture to say that every auto trans CTS-V in excellent weather at a hooking track should run 11.9, and that it would be the norm in those conditions. The reality is that very few CTS-V owners go drag race their cars. I've owned mine since 2009 and i've never had it to the drag strip myself. I've got other cars that I prefer to go racing in, and I can't drive more than one car at a time.
I am not disagreeing with you, Nine Ball, and I agree that a very small % of CTS-V owners put their cars on a 1/4 mile track, and that the cars listed in Larry's chart are but a minute % of all CTS-V's.
But I think that 11.9 - 12.1 would be a more realistic variation. And that would be with skillful shoes, too. A lot of people are just not shoes. And I have never had mine on a track either.
However the other person's statement & justification for that statement was that if many CTS-V's have already hit 11.9, then there are CTS-V's that have hit 11.8. And I do not believe that is a correct statement based upon his justification and / or reasoning.
 
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Don't mis-shift and overrev it or you might be replacing connecting rods and pushrods.
 
Old Dec 5, 2011 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by HowlerMonkey
Don't mis-shift and overrev it or you might be replacing connecting rods and pushrods.
Almost all of what we are talking about are autos. Very few people run stick trannies at the drags.
 
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Beautiful wagon... Enjoy!!
 
Old Dec 6, 2011 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Wells
Almost all of what we are talking about are autos. Very few people run stick trannies at the drags.

It is an automatic transmission car.

How it came to be overreved is a guess at best since you would think that the ecu contains code to determine at what speed limit you can select the next lower gear.

It's possible that Hennessey edited the transmission code, though.
 
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... although the 6spd is nothing like my 997 or S4... the clutch is really light.
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It is an automatic transmission car.
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Old Dec 6, 2011 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HowlerMonkey
Don't mis-shift and overrev it or you might be replacing connecting rods and pushrods.
I don't know where that came from, Howler. I belong to CadForum.com and stay very current with the general, performance, & appearance sections of the 2009 & up CTS-V and although I have heard of a few over-revving during the auto-trans shift, I have not heard of anybody having to replace the rods and / or pushrods. I believe that shift points are controlled by the Transmission Control Module, or TCM for short, and most that I am aware of that over-rev are due to modified TCM tunes. Taking it back to the tuner and he can change that and drop the shift point.
 
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I am not disagreeing with you, Nine Ball, and I agree that a very small % of CTS-V owners put their cars on a 1/4 mile track, and that the cars listed in Larry's chart are but a minute % of all CTS-V's.
But I think that 11.9 - 12.1 would be a more realistic variation. And that would be with skillful shoes, too. A lot of people are just not shoes. And I have never had mine on a track either.
However the other person's statement & justification for that statement was that if many CTS-V's have already hit 11.9, then there are CTS-V's that have hit 11.8. And I do not believe that is a correct statement based upon his justification and / or reasoning.

Ive created quite a few factory stock car list. C5 vettes many years ago as well as differant generations of viper.

I spent months searching forums and emailing. On a common car like a corvette (other than the zr1) you can easily get 50 plus stock contributions and get a good round number to go off of.

On the other hand the new ctsv or vipers is a totally differant challange. With the rarity and people useing the cts for cruising or viper for road racingit is nearly impossible to realize the full potential of these cars.

What I do know is simply this. If ctsvs can hit 11.9-12. 1. Someone has already let the car sit and chill at the track. Pushed it to the line and ran a sub 11.9. More than likely this person has never visited a ctsv forum.

I had a stock c5 vette back in 04. It was an auto with 2.73 gears. I averaged 13.6 to 13.8 at 100-102 mph. Im talking 1000 stock quartermile passes and thats simply what it ran.

One night my wife and I left the vette at the drag strip and watched a movie. 3.5 hours later we returned. I got in a very short line and aproached the start line on a very very cold engine.

The result was a 13.5 at 105 mph.

You get someone in a negative da who lets the car chill for two hours and has their rear psi at the correct setting for hooking and no doubt in my mind its sub 11.9 and again some drag racer has more than likely already done this and has no idea he has some type of record. The ctsvs are very weather dependant. A nice iced down engine on a good night and the car will surprise us all
 
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Somewhere there is the lowest E.T. for a stock CTS-V in existence and that record could be broken today, tomorrow, or sometime next year. Any your correct, not everybody belongs to forums.
 
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I'm not sure if the tuner modified the shift algorithm but the damage was surely there so this one will be getting the two things that the LSA should have had upgraded (the ls9 or aftermarket rods and forged pistons) when it became a V650.

I know many electronically controlled transmissions have a certain amount of "hydraulic only" functionality but I don't know if that can be invoked when the tranny controller is "on line" and working properly.

Most will default to the 1:1 gear and stay there in the case of a controller issue.........just not sure on the logic on this particular car and whether direct hydraulic control is possible through the linked shifter with that valve body design.

Sadly, someone had disconnected the battery before I saw it and there was no freeze frame data from the codes generated when the engine suffered misfire from the bent pushrods.

Please ignore the red "rep power" as it was the result of some pansy shops who had a lot to lose when presented by what I had said a while ago.
 

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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 09:32 AM
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Good info, howler, many thanks for the info. Sorry to hear about that particular item. I have read on the forum that some have over-revved past redline, but never to the extent that it did any internal damage.
 
Old Dec 8, 2011 | 09:35 PM
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I don't want anybody to get the impression I am downing the car or the tuner in any way but rather just reporting my findings and pondering aloud.

I've driven the car and would get one just like it if I could.
 
Old Feb 3, 2012 | 05:57 PM
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The wagon is starting to get some mods... headers on order... intake on, pulley and tune to come shortly... I should probably change the rims/tires first because the damn thing has no traction as it is.

Anyhow, tinted the tails and threw some stripes on... looking forward to continuing the color theme onto the calipers and interior a bit.

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That looks badass now, sinister wagon lol. I never cared for the AMG wagons or wagons in general, but the aggressive styling of the V lent itself well to the wagons shape.

Just not feeling the stripes, looks a bit odd there, but otherwise badass.
 


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